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[RED] Archer Skill Builds - McAwesomesauce - 2011-09-25
MW is more important than Illusion Step afaik. Avoid is lol and level 9 MW will get you +40 dex if your base is 800, and since you planning to put points into it near 200 anyway it seems plausible that you'd have that much dex at that level.
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - Locked - 2011-09-25
McAwesomesauce Wrote:MW is more important than Illusion Step afaik. Avoid is lol and level 9 MW will get you +40 dex if your base is 800, and since you planning to put points into it near 200 anyway it seems plausible that you'd have that much dex at that level.
>mfw illusion step adds 40 dex.
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - hongyu - 2011-09-25
Bribery Wrote:Any suggestions on my Marksman Ascension build? Mine's only level 128 currently but I'd like to have a build planned out.
Code:120. 1 Ultimate Strafe (1), 1 Snipe (1), 1 Marksman Boost (1)
121. 1 Piercing Arrow (1), 1 Spirit Link: Frostprey (1), 1 Elite Puppet (1)
122. 3 Ultimate Strafe (4)
123. 3 Ultimate Strafe (7)
124. 3 Ultimate Strafe (MAX)
125. 3 Marksman Boost (4)
126. 3 Marksman Boost (7)
127. 3 Marksman Boost (10)
128. 3 Marksman Boost (13)
129. 3 Marksman Boost (16)
130. 3 Marksman Boost (19)
131. 3 Marksman Boost (22)
132. 3 Marksman Boost (25)
133. 3 Marksman Boost (28)
134. 2 Marksman Boost (MAX), 1 Piercing Arrow (2)
135. 3 Piercing Arrow (5)
136. 3 Piercing Arrow (8)
137. 3 Piercing Arrow (11)
138. 3 Piercing Arrow (14)
139. 3 Piercing Arrow (17)
140. 3 Piercing Arrow (20)
141. 3 Piercing Arrow (23)
142. 3 Piercing Arrow (26)
143. 3 Piercing Arrow (29)
144. 1 Piercing Arrow (MAX), 2 Sharp Eyes (2)
145. 3 Sharp Eyes (5)
146. 3 Sharp Eyes (8)
147. 3 Sharp Eyes (11)
148. 3 Sharp Eyes (14)
149. 3 Sharp Eyes (17)
150. 3 Sharp Eyes (20)
151. 3 Sharp Eyes (23)
152. 3 Sharp Eyes (26)
153. 3 Sharp Eyes (29)
154. 3 Spirit Link: Frostprey (4)
155. 3 Spirit Link: Frostprey (7)
156. 3 Spirit Link: Frostprey (10)
157. 3 Spirit Link: Frostprey (13)
158. 3 Spirit Link: Frostprey (16)
159. 3 Spirit Link: Frostprey (19)
160. 3 Spirit Link: Frostprey (22)
161. 3 Spirit Link: Frostprey (25)
162. 3 Spirit Link: Frostprey (28)
163. 1 Spirit Link: Frostprey (29), 2 Snipe (3)
164. 3 Snipe (6)
165. 3 Snipe (9)
166. 3 Snipe (12)
167. 3 Snipe (15)
168. 3 Snipe (18)
169. 3 Snipe (21)
170. 3 Snipe (24)
171. 3 Snipe (27)
172. 3 Snipe (MAX)
173. 1 Sharp Eyes (MAX), 1 Spirit Link: Frostprey (MAX), 1 Marksmanship (1)
174. 3 Marksmanship (4)
175. 3 Marksmanship (7)
176. 3 Marksmanship (MAX)
177. 3 Elite Puppet (04)
178. 3 Elite Puppet (07)
179. 3 Elite Puppet (10)
180. 3 Elite Puppet (13)
181. 3 Illusion Step (3)
182. 3 Illusion Step (6)
183. 3 Illusion Step (9)
184. 3 Illusion Step (12)
185. 3 Illusion Step (15)
186. 3 Illusion Step (18)
187. 3 Illusion Step (21)
188. 3 Illusion Step (24)
189. 3 Illusion Step (27)
190. 3 Illusion Step (MAX)
191. 3 Maple Warrior (3)
192. 3 Maple Warrior (6)
193. 3 Maple Warrior (9)
194. 3 Maple Warrior (12)
195. 3 Maple Warrior (15)
196. 3 Maple Warrior (18)
197. 3 Maple Warrior (21)
198. 3 Maple Warrior (24)
199. 3 Maple Warrior (27)
200. 2 Maple Warrior (29), Hero's Will (1)
I would actually put 29 spirit link and 14 puppet
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - dragonknight - 2011-09-25
I don't know if this has been said already, but illusion step seem to be really good like the thiefs shadow shifter. Its not the fail dodge we have now on our archers, it works exactly like shadow shifter and gives you an animation when it activates. I have tested this on tespia.
Does anyone know how good untimate inferno is compared to hurricane now? with calculations if possible. In the GMS version we have now, inferno is so bad that hurricane is better used on places like LHC mobs right. What happens after Ascension hits? Does the advanced final atk with hurricane still put untimate inferno useless at mobs or is it worth maxing? Because when I tried in tespia, with the new puppet + untimate inferno + phoenix the mobbing ability of Bowmasters seem so much better than it is now. I can't decide if I should leave all skills at 29 and then use leafre monster set to get +1 to all skills, or if its worth it for other people to get a helmet with +1 and keep all skills at 29 and try to get more points into inferno.
If anyone can come up with calculations to show how untimate inferno compares to hurricane after patch it'll be really helpfull.
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - White - 2011-09-25
I definitely found U.Inf to be more effective at killing mobs in MP. However, from my standpoint as a bosser, i'd rather my coveted sp (lol) go towards skills that bump up my 1v1 more than anything else.
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - dragonknight - 2011-09-26
White Wrote:I definitely found U.Inf to be more effective at killing mobs in MP. However, from my standpoint as a bosser, i'd rather my coveted sp (lol) go towards skills that bump up my 1v1 more than anything else.
How about bosses like Cygnus Empress? wouldn't Ultimate Inferno be a really good skill there instead of spamming hurricane on like 6 mobs?
Really hard to give up our best mobbing skill
Why did nexon have to go from having 60 useless skill points into not having enough...
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - Locked - 2011-09-26
dragonknight Wrote:How about bosses like Cygnus Empress? wouldn't Ultimate Inferno be a really good skill there instead of spamming hurricane on like 6 mobs?
Really hard to give up our best mobbing skill
Where do you get 6 mobs at Empress?
Anyway look at it my way. I already hit 800k with Inferno on neutral mobs with no ultimate inferno. Pumping points into a skill that will already do max damage seems pointless when I could put it into a skill that can potentially hit max damage.
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - White - 2011-09-26
Locked Wrote:Where do you get 6 mobs at Empress?
Anyway look at it my way. I already hit 800k with Inferno on neutral mobs with no ultimate inferno. Pumping points into a skill that will already do max damage seems pointless when I could put it into a skill that can potentially hit max damage.
You're very very far from the average archer speaking from a funding standpoint.
However, with empress, I rarely if ever run into mobs of 6. While the instructors do sometimes summon a couple Adv. Knights, they're killed so quickly that it's negligible and definitely not worth investing points into a skill that has such a limited use.
Empress: Instructors summon a small mob one or two times, not worth it.
HT/CHT: Couple wyverns every minute or so that fly off randomly throughout the map, not worth it, hurricane picks them off just fine as it is, and we'll have phoenix out as well as E.Puppet to dish damage.
VL: The goal is not to kill the mobs but rather fill up the map with non-mini golems.
Zak/Czak: Same issue has HT, while the map is smaller, the premise is the same.
Pink Bean: This is the only time I can see it being debated. When PB summons like a dozen mini beans that block access to PB, and quickly use wep cancel, I can see there being a benefit to having a very potent U.Inf. However, keeping in mind that we'll have our phoenix out to help, and i'll be summoning my E.Puppet near enough to PB to do damage (and thus close enough to probably get at least 1 hit in on mini beans) I think the job is accomplished as well as it could be all things considered, and so I wouldn't invest any extra points into U.Inf.
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - Chameleonic - 2011-09-26
I have a problem with E.Puppet, all my archer life I have placed a puppet where it cant be hit so it lasts as long as possible, so mobs just wonder around doing nothing so I can take them down...now I'm supposed to cast puppet in the middle of mobs so it can be hit(and I'll prolly get hit too) as well as attack them...it is going to take some getting used to using puppet completely contrary to how I have been using it for the past 6 years.
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - Locked - 2011-09-26
Chameleonic Wrote:I have a problem with E.Puppet, all my archer life I have placed a puppet where it cant be hit so it lasts as long as possible, so mobs just wonder around doing nothing so I can take them down...now I'm supposed to cast puppet in the middle of mobs so it can be hit(and I'll prolly get hit too) as well as attack them...it is going to take some getting used to using puppet completely contrary to how I have been using it for the past 6 years.
No, you don't have to do that. If you want, it's completely up to you. Elite Puppet absorbs 20% of your damage though, so really the DPS of Elite Puppet is negligible to be honest.
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - White - 2011-09-26
Yes, it's different. However, with the benefit of 30k hp, and the ability to dodge, and some fair defense (somehow), it lasts a lot longer than you'd think.
Also, and I hope this doesn't come over from tespia, but puppet doesn't work right. By that I mean that if I atk a monster, summon a puppet on the other side of the platform, and attack from between the two, the monster will still attack me, even though it'd rather attack the puppet. Not sure why this is, but it sucks.
P_______me->->->->monster
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - JoeTang - 2011-09-26
That's how Puppet works. ENJOY.
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - Locked - 2011-09-26
;___;
but whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - JoeTang - 2011-09-26
Locked Wrote:;___;
but whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Because it's OP.
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - Panacea - 2011-09-26
Kinda makes me NOT want E. Puppet...
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - JoeTang - 2011-09-26
Panacea Wrote:Kinda makes me NOT want E. Puppet...
Your Puppet's HP goes up from 10000 to 30000, and you take 20% less damage. What's not to want?
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - Takebacker - 2011-09-26
JoeTang Wrote:Your Puppet's HP goes up from 10000 to 30000, and you take 20% less damage. What's not to want?
Even more instant death if damage reflect is involved and you don't re-shift it? :/ That sounds like it's going to piss a lot of bowmen off.
Oh yeah, and their summons would set reflect off too. Funny since it's tied to 20% damage.
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - Eliseo - 2011-09-26
To second and third job of bowmasters, what skill I DON'T max? In third job I can't see which I shouldn't.
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - Locked - 2011-09-26
Takebacker Wrote:Oh yeah, and their summons would set reflect off too. Funny since it's tied to 20% damage.
Since when?
Eliseo Wrote:To second and third job of bowmasters, what skill I DON'T max? In third job I can't see which I shouldn't.
2nd job: Hawk
3rd job: Mortal Blow or Strafe.
[RED] Archer Skill Builds - JoeTang - 2011-09-26
Takebacker Wrote:Even more instant death if damage reflect is involved and you don't re-shift it? :/ That sounds like it's going to piss a lot of bowmen off.
Oh yeah, and their summons would set reflect off too. Funny since it's tied to 20% damage.
REALLY? HOLY pomegranate THIS IS LIKE BROKEN FOR BOWMEN AND MAGICIANS THEN SINCE THEY CAN'T DISPEL THEIR SUMMONS