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Crooked Hillary! - Satellite - 2016-11-09
This election proves that the lack of free education and democracy don't mix well. You're gonna have pineappleing idiots who probably couldn't tell the difference between tv news and tv reality show casting their vote. I wouldn't give a pineapple if Americans would stay inside their own freak circus but unfortunately rest of the world will feel the effects of the crashing economy and screwed up climate as well (which leads into mass immigration and tax payers having to cover damage of increasing hurricanes, floods, desertation, forest fires etc., sounds like a republican dream)
ShinkuDragon Wrote:well well well hillary (and company), maybe getting bernie off the race wasn't the smartest idea eeeeeeeeeeeeh?Bernie more electable? Nah, "that's just what the polls claim but it's not true". The entablishment will put the blame on Bernie voters somehow, I guarantee it.
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Flonne Wrote:I'm not even sure anymore that Trump winning will prevent unrest, California has already started grandstanding about secession if he wins (which, good fucking riddance, but that's beside the point) and I'm sure there will be pissed off minorities rioting just as hard as pissed off patriots would be if Hillary wins. I don't think there is a victory move any longer for this country unless Trump does WAY better than most people including myself think he can. We are fucked no matter what.Correct me if I'm wrong but red states aren't doing that great? Without California, New York and with the insane 20 trillion of debt, US would be bankrupt faster than Trump's companies.
Crooked Hillary! - Justin - 2016-11-09
Oh boy, another "democracy doesn't work" post because someone's choice didn't win. You are blowing this way out of proportion. Things will carry on same as usual for the most part.
Crooked Hillary! - Satellite - 2016-11-09
Justin Wrote:Oh boy, another "democracy doesn't work" post because someone's choice didn't win. You are blowing this way out of proportion. Things will carry on same as usual for the most part.I appreciate your optimism but it's not just about Trump. Republicans will now control the congress, senate, white house and the supreme court. They can pass any of their crazy bills, they can undo everything Obama did, pull out of the climate deal, start any war they want. You may say that America survived 8 years of Bush, but what were the effects of it for the rest of the world? Millions have died in Syria and Iraq, here in Europe we're dealing with a huge refugee problem that arguably would not be there without the mistakes Bush did during his presidency.
I'm not saying democracy doesn't work, it did. I'm simply voicing my opinion here about the result and my opinion is that it wasn't the educated choice to make or one that takes the world in the right direction.
Crooked Hillary! - Jamesie - 2016-11-09
Satellite Wrote:Bernie more electable? Nah, "that's just what the polls claim but it's not true". The entablishment will put the blame on Bernie voters somehow, I guarantee it.To be fair though, the polls also basically said Clinton was going to win. ultimately the question boils down to: where did it go wrong? did Trump overperform and disadvantages in the polls were largely because of question bias? (this would seem to be my guess, tbh.) or did Clinton underperform due a sort of Brexit mentality or because she took her Rust Belt safeties for granted and didn't campaign there enough? did Comey's last minute smoke-blow on the emails truly make a notable impact? it did in most polling models, so perhaps it shifted others in general as well.
it's hard to say whether or not Bernie would've won simply because the polls were consistently wrong about Trump to begin with. i do think Bernie perhaps would've stood a better chance, given his higher favorability among white men (classic) and in the Rust Belt area that Clinton ultimately lost, but then again, what would the campaign have looked like? would Americans really be ready for a self-avowed democratic socialist Jew? and i mean, Trump's ads already had elements of anti-Semitism playing into the usual "it's the Evil Jews behind it All," what kind of ammo would he have with that double threat of socialist and Jew?
tbh i just don't think there's any way to play what ifs with this election.
Crooked Hillary! - Flonne - 2016-11-09
Satellite Wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong but red states aren't doing that great? Without California, New York and with the insane 20 trillion of debt, US would be bankrupt faster than Trump's companies.
The debt is just something to hold over our heads, they (liberals and more specifically globalists) intentionally put us in debt in order to more easily control the populace. At this point I don't even give a pineapple about the debt, even if someone comes calling to collect nobody is going to or even should pay it at this point, it's all fauxmoney, pineapple them, usury is a crime and it always has been, and every time (((they))) try to get away with it they get kicked out of the country they try it in, sometimes with extreme prejudice. Aside from that though, especially in the case of California which is the only one threatening so secede, we could drastically reduce our debt by allowing them to pineapple off with all of their sanctuary cities and welfare zones and importing of illegals. Without the fed constantly printing more money they would as an independent state go bankrupt within a decade, they create a lot of jobs and high dollar trade items but they squander all of the gains on stupid pomegranate like that.
Also, it is a misnomer to say "Trump's companies are all bankrupt", EVERY major businessman loses in some sectors, he has bankrupted on a HANDFUL of companies AS TAX WRITEOFFS while making profits still in around a HUNDRED individual companies. By a huge margin he is out ahead on that front, he is not bad with money as everyone claims, even when he loses a company he still comes out ahead because of the writeoff (and I still hold that, if it's technically legal, you should take advantage of it, and if people don't like it they can either stay salty or petition to change the tax laws, taking advantage of legal loopholes is in essence what we NEED in a leader, we need someone smart enough to hold onto all the money he can and not just "give it to the fed because it's the right thing to do"; the difference between Trump and the Clinton Foundation is that CF is known to abuse the tax system ILLegally, not to mention breaching the laws for what constitutes a "charity").
Crooked Hillary! - KhainiWest - 2016-11-09
Satellite Wrote:I appreciate your optimism but it's not just about Trump. Republicans will now control the congress, senate, white house and the supreme court. They can pass any of their crazy bills, they can undo everything Obama did, pull out of the climate deal, start any war they want. You may say that America survived 8 years of Bush, but what were the effects of it for the rest of the world? Millions have died in Syria and Iraq, here in Europe we're dealing with a huge refugee problem that arguably would not be there without the mistakes Bush did during his presidency.
I'm not saying democracy doesn't work, it did. I'm simply voicing my opinion here about the result and my opinion is that it wasn't the educated choice to make or one that takes the world in the right direction.
HAHAHAHAHAH check out this guy, he thinks the republicans aren't in civil war right now
Jamesie Wrote:To be fair though, the polls also basically said Clinton was going to win. ultimately the question boils down to: where did it go wrong? did Trump overperform and disadvantages in the polls were largely because of question bias? (this would seem to be my guess, tbh.) or did Clinton underperform due a sort of Brexit mentality or because she took her Rust Belt safeties for granted and didn't campaign there enough? did Comey's last minute smoke-blow on the emails truly make a notable impact? it did in most polling models, so perhaps it shifted others in general as well.
it's hard to say whether or not Bernie would've won simply because the polls were consistently wrong about Trump to begin with. i do think Bernie perhaps would've stood a better chance, given his higher favorability among white men (classic) and in the Rust Belt area that Clinton ultimately lost, but then again, what would the campaign have looked like? would Americans really be ready for a self-avowed democratic socialist Jew? and i mean, Trump's ads already had elements of anti-Semitism playing into the usual "it's the Evil Jews behind it All," what kind of ammo would he have with that double threat of socialist and Jew?
tbh i just don't think there's any way to play what ifs with this election.
Bernie would have won, all Bernies votes did not go to Hillary for obvious reasons, but if Bernie would have won, all of her votes would have gone to him. If we had an alternatie voting set up, I'm pretty sure all of the undecideds/bernie butt hurts would have voted bernie as their first choice, and Hillary as their second, they wouldn't have looked at the third party candidates at all.
Crooked Hillary! - Flonne - 2016-11-09
KhainiWest Wrote:HAHAHAHAHAH check out this guy, he thinks the republicans aren't in civil war right now
Bernie would have won, all Bernies votes did not go to Hillary for obvious reasons, but if Bernie would have won, all of her votes would have gone to him. If we had an alternatie voting set up, I'm pretty sure all of the undecideds/bernie butt hurts would have voted bernie as their first choice, and Hillary as their second, they wouldn't have looked at the third party candidates at all.
Don't some countries have preferential electing or whatever? Like, you vote for multiple people in order of preference, if one drops out your vote goes on to the next, etc until it's done?
Crooked Hillary! - KhainiWest - 2016-11-09
Flonne Wrote:Don't some countries have preferential electing or whatever? Like, you vote for multiple people in order of preference, if one drops out your vote goes on to the next, etc until it's done?
Yeah it's called alternative voting iirc
Crooked Hillary! - ShinkuDragon - 2016-11-09
thing is bernie was a dumbass with the heart in the right place, and if he fucked up he'd have the balls to admit and try to fix, this is what drew people towards bernie, besides the fact that he appealed to the poorer classes.
instead we got a complete dumbass versus a complete corrupt system (i can't see hillary as one person, i see her as the embodiment of the wishes of the "elite")
Crooked Hillary! - Herbert Jablonski - 2016-11-09
Spoiler
Not even a day has passed since Trump won the election and Russia wants to restore relations between themselves and the United States.Is Trump a great president or the greatest president?
Crooked Hillary! - xparasite9 - 2016-11-09
Satellite Wrote:xparasite9 Flonne While we're at this topic... I would like to hear your thoughts on Trump being a peeping tom and "inspecting" naked underage Miss Teen USA contestants, hitting on 10 year old girls, his creepy comments about his own daughter, his comments about grabbing women by the p*ssy and alleged harassment/rape claims by women including alleged underage victims?The Miss Teen USA is a very simple one. It's a load of horseshet not even worth worrying about. They had a strict policy, no one was allowed in dressing rooms but the contestants, not even the girls' mothers.
Additional questions: Do you two believe in humans playing a part climate change? Are you anti-vaccine? What do you think about Trumps anti-science comments? What do you think about Trump Calling Bill Gates to close/censor the internet (and do you think Bill Gates runs the internet too)? Why do you think Trump hasn't released his tax returns?
Sorry if you've already covered some of these in your posts.
I didn't really feel offended about the daughter thing. I think it was just a strange way of bragging about how beautiful his daughter is.
And people offended by Trump's jock-like comments on the bus have never been in a restaurant kitchen. (Neither have I, but I've heard stories about how raunchy it is).
I guess humans have a part in climate change? But I mean it works both ways, beneficial and detrimental. Climate isn't really changing that much anyway. We are panicking over miniscule changes that, frankly, are recorded within the margin of error. We are thinking way too big-picture over cyclical things we might not even be able to control. Caring for the environment is one thing, which I greatly encourage and applaud, but fretting over the ocean levels that have only risen an average of 3mm per year for the past 120 years? There's a cost-benefit tradeoff and I'm wondering if we are getting the short end of it. We also need to make China stop being poisonous pollutive pricks.
I'm not anti-vaccine. Neither is Trump really. Trump thinks you shouldn't pump a kid full of vaccines all at once. As long as the kid gets all his vaccinations in the end run, what's the harm in spreading it out?
Trump isn't "anti-science". No one is. What does that even mean? That's like saying someone is "anti-water".
No one understand the internet less than old people. Don't worry about it. The most they can do is infiltrate and shut down mujahideen clubs (like they are already doing).
Crooked Hillary! - Flonne - 2016-11-09
Herbert Jablonski Wrote:SpoilerNot even a day has passed since Trump won the election and Russia wants to restore relations between themselves and the United States.
Is Trump a great president or the greatest president?
It's time to MAKE EARTH GREAT AGAIN
Russia and US joint mission puts colony on Mars in a decade, destroys every terrorist cell in the middle east, and pineapples China in the ass if they don't get in line with this century's rules and regulations using ludicrously high trade sanctions. What a time to be alive. Not only that, we now have full house/senate/president/justices for the first time in almost a hundred years, so, even moreso than I thought, last night really was a monumental pivot point for the future of the world, and if he delivers on even a tenth (though I would certainly prefer all of it!) of what he promised, the future looks bright to me.
Crooked Hillary! - ShinkuDragon - 2016-11-09
Flonne Wrote:It's time to MAKE EARTH GREAT AGAIN
Russia and US joint mission puts colony on Mars in a decade, destroys every terrorist cell in the middle east, and pineapples China in the ass if they don't get in line with this century's rules and regulations using ludicrously high trade sanctions. What a time to be alive. Not only that, we now have full house/senate/president/justices for the first time in almost a hundred years, so, even moreso than I thought, last night really was a monumental pivot point for the future of the world, and if he delivers on even a tenth (though I would certainly prefer all of it!) of what he promised, the future looks bright to me.
the wall also rivals the ancient wall of china, becomes a tourist attraction for mexicans and literally pays itself off.
because why not, not being sarcastic btw, i just wanted to say that nonserious idea today.
Crooked Hillary! - Satellite - 2016-11-10
Lol@Trump supporters posting colored maps of US to prove that the election was democratic. In a true democracy every vote is equal, 1 vote is 1 vote. Trump lost the popular vote. Do these dumbasses think that dirt and trees have a vote? Amount of land =/= amount of actual people who vote. Of course it's gonna look very red visualized on the map because of rural areas but single cities that are just tiny dots on the map have millions of people living in them.
On the other hand, those democrats that say the election wasn't fair are wrong as well. The election was completely fair within the current rules that the US election has. Not suprised to see all those protests though. If Trump had lost despite winning popular vote, Trump voters would've been the first to call the election rigged and went to the streets with their guns and trump hats.
Crooked Hillary! - Flonne - 2016-11-10
Satellite Wrote:Lol@Trump supporters posting colored maps of US to prove that the election was democratic. In a true democracy every vote is equal, 1 vote is 1 vote. Trump lost the popular vote. Do these dumbasses think that dirt and trees have a vote? Amount of land =/= amount of actual people who vote. Of course it's gonna look very red visualized on the map because of rural areas but single cities that are just tiny dots on the map have millions of people living in them.
On the other hand, those democrats that say the election wasn't fair are wrong as well. The election was completely fair within the current rules that the US election has. Not suprised to see all those protests though. If Trump had lost despite winning popular vote, Trump voters would've been the first to call the election rigged and went to the streets with their guns and trump hats.
He lost the popular vote by .2% in an election where around 10x that percent were illegals and and an unknown number were entirely fabricated, either from using dead people's votes, people voting dozens of times, and flat out vote machine rigging. The fact that Trump is not 10% behind means that he is actually closer to 55-60% of the popular vote. The fact that he is at 300+ electorals means he in reality just pulled off a pineappleing Reagan tier landslide, except Reagan never got Michigan (or wait, it was Minnesota; point still stands).
Have some perspective
![[Image: caA26YB.png]](http://i.imgur.com/caA26YB.png)
Note, PA in particular, who he almost lost based on only THREE BLUE SQUARES. This is the trend and this is the rule of the land right now; the liberals stuff all of the minorities and other "marginalized groups" into one place, pack it to the brim, and indoctrinate them into believing they will ONLY SURVIVE if they vote liberal, controlling them with federal programs and welfare checks. They recounted the county on the left (Pittsburgh) and the on in the bottom right of the state (Philly), and it showed the disparity outright; the "vote tally total" dropped from 99% to 51%. Almost HALF OF THE PEOPLE IN THE ENTIRE STATE are in those two tiny blue dots. Look at that fucking map and tell me that Trump didn't just win absolutely everything except the NM, CA, and most of the northeastern states. Lets take it a step further; remove the highest electoral vote state of each party and Trump would have handily won the popular vote too; California takes the idea of "stuffing cities full of people that will vote for them" and makes a STATE out of it.
Voter fraud was a thing, vote flipping in polls WAS a thing, and actual physical breaches were a thing as well, including the fact that many major cities had black people handing out fliers AT THE DOOR labelled quite blatantly at times with "African American official voting form", telling them every person to vote for on the entire bill and giving reasons that pandered directly to them regardless of what they would do for anyone else, usually lying about the benefits as well. That's the state of our Democracy and THAT'S why it is corrupt, not because "Trump stole the election". Trump didn't fucking steal the election, he stole the country back from the globalist special interest scumbags that have run our great country into the fucking ground over the past few decades, looking at us only as a profit margin for their shitty schemes. I want Trump to do everything he said he will but more importantly I'm glad he won because it sticks a fucking fork in the eye of every billionaire papaya in the entire world that has been pulling our puppet strings for generations within their family. The Rothschilds probably are still strong enough to control us partially, but the rest are reeling, they no longer have anywhere near as strong a grip as they did before.
Crooked Hillary! - Satellite - 2016-11-10
Flonne Wrote:He lost the popular vote by .2% in an election where around 10x that percent were illegals and and an unknown number were entirely fabricated, either from using dead people's votes, people voting dozens of times, and flat out vote machine rigging. The fact that Trump is not 10% behind means that he is actually closer to 55-60% of the popular vote. The fact that he is at 300+ electorals means he in reality just pulled off a pineappleing Reagan tier landslide, except Reagan never got Michigan (or wait, it was Minnesota; point still stands).Until you're able to provide some actual proof for your theories (the cesspool of /r/The_Donald doesn't count), I'll consider this to go in the same category as some of Trumps previous theories...
*snip*
[video=youtube;k8TwRmX6zs4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8TwRmX6zs4[/video]
Crooked Hillary! - Flonne - 2016-11-10
Satellite Wrote:Until you're able to provide some actual proof for your theories (the cesspool of /r/The_Donald doesn't count), I'll consider this to go in the same category as some of Trumps previous theories...
I've already provided it across the thread, you just don't want to listen to it at this point. There are videos of the vote flipping to Hillary when a person voted, sometimes it flipped to her when you voted straight Republican and sometimes when you voted Trump, but never ONE time did it flip from Hillary to Trump in all of the instances. As for the dead people voting, that was also caught, remember the guy that tried to attack Trump at a rally last week? They investigated JUST THAT GUY and it turned out he had already voted 8 times for dead relatives. JUST HIM, ONE GUY; dozens admitted to doing this on social media, with pride, that they were doing something good for the country. There were also posts of ballot handlers destroying Trump votes; the ones that they actually investigated, it turned out to be true. These aren't pineappleing theories, these are facts. An example from the county next to mine that was on the local news; some woman deliberately left the Democratic ballotbox locked room unlocked for weeks straight. Any machine you have physical access to, you can hack, without exception, and based on almost all of the ones we have in this country, they can be completely overwritten and recoded in 7 minutes using only a pineappleing USB drive and the card.
On top of all of that, as my previous post stated, the rigging is actually SYSTEMIC at this point, by it's very nature, the Democrats have found a systemic loophole using illegals, controlling minorities, and controlling all major population centers, so that, regardless of what the map looks like, they will be very close in the polls even if they don't even NEED to physically rig anything, the fact that they needed to this time around is pretty telling that Hillary was genuinely unliked, she even did quite poorly with women, at least white women, and she didn't do as well with pineappleing LATINOS as she thought she would either, Trump got 33% of latino males. Another example of systemic rigging is why VA lost, recently 60K felons were pardoned in VA and allowed rights to vote, Trump lost by nearly 60K votes on the nose in VA. pineappleing coincidences stacking up pretty high, here (actually, they recounted Fairfax and it's no longer that close).
And no, I don't use reddit, they don't accomplish anything of consequence.
edit: fucking CNN currently projecting Trump to win the popular vote
http://www.cnn.com/election/results
This would just be the icing on the icing on the icing on the cake, would just forever blow everyone the pineapple out if he can win the popular vote in this particular fucking election for all of the aforementioned reasons.
Crooked Hillary! - Jamesie - 2016-11-10
[MENTION=2088]Flonne[/MENTION]; for consideration:
Romney's geographic "landslide"
![[Image: 2012_Presidential_Election_by_County.svg]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/2012_Presidential_Election_by_County.svg)
fact of the matter is that conservatives, whether it be American, British, French, or Dutch, poll better outside of cities. You can look at a map of the UK and see the exact same trend as in the US: Labour in the cities, Tory everywhere else. here's the 2015 UK election, for ex. (never mind SNP in Scotland though.)
that doesn't even consider population within that geography. Fairfax County, in Northern Virginia is half (and then some) the size of Wallace County in western Kansas. it has 1,000x more people than that county in Kansas. hell, the population of Fairfax County is nearly half of the population of all of Kansas. geographic landslide is Mondale vs. Reagan in 84 where Reagan swept popular and electoral vote, even taking a hefty number of urban centers.
the story of Trump's win is made clear by NYTimes's exit polls: the White people-- who were approaching electoral irrelevance-- showed up. the Dems' base, did not.
Crooked Hillary! - Flonne - 2016-11-10
Jamesie Wrote:fact of the matter is that conservatives, whether it be American, British, French, or Dutch, poll better outside of cities.
the story of Trump's win is made clear by NYTimes's exit polls: the White people-- who were approaching electoral irrelevance-- showed up. the Dems' base, did not.
Yes and yes.
Also, for the people that legitimately don't believe that rigging is happening in the voting machines themselves as well,
[video=youtube;Fob-AGgZn44]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fob-AGgZn44[/video]
That cannot be called anything BUT rigging, counting people as fractions and divvying up those "fractions" where they want them, used as a national polling machine software.
Crooked Hillary! - Herbert Jablonski - 2016-11-10
Satellite Wrote:Lol@Trump supporters posting colored maps of US to prove that the election was democratic. In a true democracy every vote is equal, 1 vote is 1 vote. Trump lost the popular vote. Do these dumbasses think that dirt and trees have a vote? Amount of land =/= amount of actual people who vote. Of course it's gonna look very red visualized on the map because of rural areas but single cities that are just tiny dots on the map have millions of people living in them.
On the other hand, those democrats that say the election wasn't fair are wrong as well. The election was completely fair within the current rules that the US election has. Not suprised to see all those protests though. If Trump had lost despite winning popular vote, Trump voters would've been the first to call the election rigged and went to the streets with their guns and trump hats.
If the popular vote was the sole decider in each election then population dense cities would be the only part of the entire country that would have any true representation. California, New York, and a few others would be among the few states that would get representation. With the electoral college in place every state gets some guaranteed representation. Trump managed to get parts of the Rust Belt that haven't voted Red in close to thirty years and the swing they gave helped decide this election.