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Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - Sihan - 2009-02-06
Can anyone give me the exact time for Same Lvl Heroes and BMs to solo Papulatus?
For example, lv 130 Hero solo in xxxminutes, and a lv 130 BM solo in xxxminutes.
It doesn't have to be exact, but i don't want you to GUESS a time either, please if you have real data, post it.
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - Kaasoljoyyx - 2009-02-06
It depends on a lot of factors but you can just look at their dps with avg gear from the dps thread and assume bombs and "pap hides in his clock" is set to 0.
I think BM > hero for pap in theoretical dps. I believe in reality, a hero will do it faster cause of stance + no need to hide during 2nd body/set up puppet.
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - KajitiSouls - 2009-02-06
Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:I think BM > hero for pap in theoretical dps. I believe in reality, a hero will do it faster cause of stance + no need to hide during 2nd body/set up puppet.
A level 130 Hero would not have the SP for both Stance and Brandish. It's very likely that if the Hero had either, his Stance would be pretty poor.
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - ItachiPower - 2009-02-06
Depends on the character's build and buffs that you can get a better estime for time.
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - DrRusty - 2009-02-06
Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:It depends on a lot of factors but you can just look at their dps with avg gear from the dps thread and assume bombs and "pap hides in his clock" is set to 0.
I think BM > hero for pap in theoretical dps. I believe in reality, a hero will do it faster cause of stance + no need to hide during 2nd body/set up puppet.
I thought a BM could keep a pap from going in his shell by casting puppet on the opposite side of the map that pap was on.
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - Kaasoljoyyx - 2009-02-06
@Kajita: Didn't see that TS said level 130. I was just thinking about level 200, dps calcs, etc
@Rusty: Not sure about that since i'm not a BM
The question has way too many variables to consider. People can only make guesses based on a lot of assumptions.
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - Retalion - 2009-02-06
DrRusty Wrote:I thought a BM could keep a pap from going in his shell by casting puppet on the opposite side of the map that pap was on.
It still goes in it's shell, but it doesnt attack you (attacks that do damage anyways) so you never have to stop your hurricane to pot. Im not sure, Im not strong enough to try this method yet. However, I'll try again tonight and see..
139, 20 SE, ~3702 range, 16 minutes to solo pap with ciders
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - FelixTM - 2009-02-06
DrRusty Wrote:I thought a BM could keep a pap from going in his shell by casting puppet on the opposite side of the map that pap was on.
Retalion Wrote:It still goes in it's shell, but it doesnt attack you (attacks that do damage anyways) so you never have to stop your hurricane to pot. Im not sure, Im not strong enough to try this method yet. However, I'll try again tonight and see..
Rusty's right. When you use Puppet against Pap and keep Pap away from the Puppet (wall pin), Pap only uses his summoning, healing (heals the bombs or something?) and cursing skills. He doesn't use attacking skills or his recovery shell.
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - KaidaTan - 2009-02-06
I think the BM would lose this matchup because I don't know any BMs that could do over 10k consistently to Pap at 130. I know I couldn't. Hell even with my gear now and an optimum build for it, I don't think it's possible. This comparison would be better at 150, but at 130 they're both going to spend way too long dealing with him.
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - Sihan - 2009-02-06
130 was just a random example. and thanks for the info everyone.
Still debating><lol
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - Retalion - 2009-02-06
FelixTM Wrote:Rusty's right. When you use Puppet against Pap and keep Pap away from the Puppet (wall pin), Pap only uses his summoning, healing (heals the bombs or something?) and cursing skills. He doesn't use attacking skills or his recovery shell.
That's definitely new to me, lol...so basically, it wont go into it's shell if I have puppet >>> and manage to keep it pinned <<<? I think I'll try that tonight, lol.
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - Sihan - 2009-02-06
Now that i've thought of it, i'm not just comparing pap, i'm comparing soloing bosses in general. What about BF soloing?
And i'm not just asking about 130. It was a randum number. What bout 150?160?
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - MaxHudson - 2009-02-06
Well are you just trying to compear BM's and Heros at bossing in general?
It really depends. From what I understand a BM would be better at BF for there raw damage. But a 16x Hero there can set up alot better without worry of dieing from BF and also the spawn will not get in the way "as" much since brandish hits 3 targets. Overall I think a BM would win by abit.
To go into this more a Hero would be best at zakum since it can hit 2 ~ 3 arms per brandish. only trouble would be top arms but even then its not to hard with stance.
A BM would have alot more trouble soloing because the summons will get in the way alot more and there will be more lag from them. There DPS is still good, but weaker since arms will take longer.
At Painus a Hero would do better since they can take care of bombs alot easyer and won't get killed off by strangers.
There are my (slightly biased) thoughts.
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - Sihan - 2009-02-06
Thanks Max.
Another question is, what lvl can a dexless hero start efficiently solo Pap and BF?
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - sicnarf - 2009-02-06
Well...I guess it depends on your definition of efficient.
As a 128 Hero (level 25 Brandish), I can solo Pap in about 40 minutes with just pineapple chews, and 33 with a single apple...but I'm 70 dex and fairly poorly equipped, so I think if you're dexless and well-equipped enough, you should be good starting around 130 to kill it fairly quickly. Second form might be a pain in the ass if you don't have enough accuracy. Assuming you're funded enough, it shouldn't be a problem.
As for BF...that's harder to answer. If you HP wash, earlier, otherwise, it won't be for a while because of BF's touch damage.
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - Phoenix - 2009-02-06
Any hero can take down BF as long as you can take a bump hit with PG on. Remember that PG will only reduce its damage by 20% though.
When Heroes can solo pap efficiently depends on your definition of efficient. You'd need to be 150 to have AC,Brandish and Stance maxed. A bowmaster would need to be about 150 to have all essential skills maxed too.
I do know that both a Hero and BM at 15x solo pap in about 9minutes. The speed is about the same, The BM should be faster though, given what the other posts say are true about puppet and it not be able to go into its shell.
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - TomasLuther - 2009-02-07
168 Hero.
Max range close to 8600 with enrage and 78xx with rage.
Pap time: less than 8 mins (haven't timed my last ones).
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - KaidaTan - 2009-02-07
TomasLuther Wrote:168 Hero.
Max range close to 8600 with enrage and 78xx with rage.
Pap time: less than 8 mins (haven't timed my last ones).
Well this is just perfect. I just hit 168 and did a Pap very recently. My best time is just under 6 minutes using Concentrate/Cider. My max range is just around 6k with these said buffs.
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - modular - 2009-02-07
Retalion Wrote:It still goes in it's shell, but it doesnt attack you (attacks that do damage anyways) so you never have to stop your hurricane to pot. Im not sure, Im not strong enough to try this method yet. However, I'll try again tonight and see..
139, 20 SE, ~3702 range, 16 minutes to solo pap with ciders
i am comparable, at lvl 139 i could solo pap in 20 mins using chews. 5200 range buffed. 25 ac, 24 brandish, 9 mw.
Same Lvl Hero VS BM Pap solo time - FelixTM - 2009-02-07
TomasLuther Wrote:168 Hero.
Max range close to 8600 with enrage and 78xx with rage.
Pap time: less than 8 mins (haven't timed my last ones).
KaidaTan Wrote:Well this is just perfect. I just hit 168 and did a Pap very recently. My best time is just under 6 minutes using Concentrate/Cider. My max range is just around 6k with these said buffs.
I'm a 165 BM with 5.3k max range with Ciders (no Conc). My time is always no longer than 7 minutes and often around 6 mins and 30 secs.
When I used to compete with a certain really strong 1H Hero, our times were always almost the same. He was always higher leveled than me too.
Edit: Fixed my level and range now that I'm back on MS and remember them. taha