Patch Available - KMST 1.2.497 - Notify - 2014-01-21
Nexon posted a patch for KMST version 496 upgrade to version 497.
You may download this patch from their official site and begin [thread=13610]creating your pre-patcher[/thread] now.
Extractions and database updates will be forthcoming (if supported)!
Patch Available - KMST 1.2.497 - Indeed - 2014-01-21
4. 일반 장비의 최고 강화 단계가 15성에서 25성으로 변경되었습니다.
- 16성부터 능력치 상승폭이 이전 단계보다 높아집니다.
- 1성 ~ 11성까지 장비 강화 실패 시 장비가 파괴되지 않습니다.
- 1성 ~ 3성까지 장비 강화 실패 시 강화 단계가 유지됩니다.
- 장비 강화 주문서, 고급 장비 강화 주문서를 사용한 장비는 변경된 장비 강화 시스템을
이용할 수 있고, 기존 주문서를 그대로 사용할 수 있습니다. 다만, 15성 이후 장비 강화는
새로운 장비 강화 시스템을 통해서만 강화 단계를 상승 시킬 수 있습니다.
- 놀라운 장비 강화 주문서가 사용된 장비는 변경된 장비 강화 시스템을 이용할 수 없습니다.
또한, 최고 강화 단계가 15성으로 변경이 없습니다.
Did they just...raise the enhancement limit to 25?
Patch Available - KMST 1.2.497 - KillerZero - 2014-01-21
Spoiler
Maple Story Test Client Ver. 1.2.497 has been released.
In this patch, the following have been modified , added.
< Equipment Enhancement System >
One . New equipment has been added to strengthen the system .
Two . Strengthening methods using available equipment .
- Equipment needed to enhance and strengthen methods of the equipment level rises in proportion to the stage .
- Seamless testing methods are needed to strengthen the equipment set to low .
Three . Steps reinforcement equipment is one step strengthening rising success and failure, the reinforcement phase is a step drop .
Four . 15 steps to strengthen the general characteristics of the equipment up to the castle was changed to 25 .
- 16 St. stats gains from higher than in the previous step .
- 1 star - 11 St. to equipment failure, the equipment is not destroyed strengthened .
- 1 Star - 2 Star steps to strengthen the equipment failure will remain enhanced .
- Enhancing equipment orders, with orders to reinforce the advanced equipment equipment equipment is changed to strengthen the system
Can be used, and can just use the existing order . However, after 15 Sex strengthening equipment
Only strengthen the system for the new equipment can be enhanced upward steps .
- Strengthening amazing equipment used equipment order is changed to strengthen the system can not use the equipment .
In addition, the top 15 characteristics of strengthening phase is not changed .
5. Superior equipment, the best step is to strengthen the existing maintenance and will be equal to 15, the castle .
- 1 star to 8 -star to equipment failure, the equipment is not destroyed strengthened .
6. If the equipment is to be destroyed , you can obtain an order of the tracks . In addition to the destruction of equipment
The system can reduce the damage to be added.
7. The new equipment will strengthen the system , after sufficient testing on the test server to a full server
Many changes will be applied and can be
"Game Related>
One . Monster Monster and building a new life has been added.
Two . Guild will be modified with respect to the following points .
- One is offline United Nations to help raise or lower position fixes.
- The carton / World Integration Party Quest / Boss Arena was also modified so that the accumulated contribution .
(However, the maximum value is exceeded, the contribution of the daily accumulation is not included.)
Three . Submarine Tower " The Seed" is modified with respect to the following points .
- Overall ranking is updated , the corresponding message will be displayed across the world .
- The Cash Shop in the lobby and the seed channel has been modified to allow movement .
- The first floor is a little more spread seed .
- 13 layers, the first position when the other user was not summoned monster phenomenon
Fixed.
- Monsters from the 20th floor of the Tin Woodman , check the problem situation temporarily until the problem is resolved
20 stories have been modified so that you can skip .
< Events Related>
One . The deadline has been extended to the station mini-games .
- The content is from 28 February 2014 to be played .
Two . Chestnut chestnut coin shop was expanded and extended .
- Set new tabs: new welcome tab has been released , and a variety of items .
- Description of the items are new welcome tab carrots can be purchased using coins .
- The NPC village at night through the snout to 7 March 2014 is available.
Three . Mini- games < both OX Quiz > has been added.
100 ins where players can enjoy together OX quiz.
- The problem is given a total of 20 issues , compensation is presented as the carrot coins and bags .
Meet a lot of problems , the more rewards will be offered .
- The game is keeping all positions until the end of the ticket is presented more as a reward bonus stages .
- 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. , every hour 50 minutes flying over the head with an invitation to come
You can also position .
- The content is from 28 February 2014 to be played .
Four . Mini Games < New Year's Defense > has been added.
- One person can be challenging defense game batting stroke .
- To be played 10 times a day .
- Difficulty Easy , Normal, Hard difficulty to clear the previous once divided into the following
You can play difficulty .
- Score based on compensation is presented to the carrot coins and bags . Add to hard mode
Tickets are presented to the stage to play the bonus .
- First Quest - New Year's Eve - New Year's defense is ? ' To do , and then NPC in town who myeonggung wolmyo
I say , or click the icon to the left of the entry can be
- The content is from 28 February 2014 to be played .
5. Mini Games < bangpaeyeon expanse for the chase ! > Has been added.
- At least 2 up to 5 people can participate in mini- player game.
- The ever-changing set of autumnal colors under the sun , depending on the number of food rewards , such as a collection
You can get paid .
- 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. , flying over your head for 30 minutes every hour through invitation
You can also position .
- The content is from 28 February 2014 to be played .
6. Mini Games < bonus stage > was added.
- Using the seesaw swing and shoot characters floating in the air you can get the item
Mini- game.
- Mini- game bonus stages is given as a reward ticket , you can play.
- The content is from 28 February 2014 to be played .
7. EFH attendance check is in progress.
- The screen on the left is quick and easy with a happy reminder attendance attendance can participate in check .
Eight . Master of safe event is in progress.
- 33 level or any user on January 22 , 23 days , 24 days daily 10:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. at Hennessy 's
Rich to gold at the event , you can participate in the test .
- Obtained from monsters level range [Gold Reach Figures ] to meet the challenge , you can password .
- [ Gold Rich Figures ] is the day of the event is in progress, you can only get .
- According to the three-digit password to open the safe stone- coins, Pape Nir weapons, including belt tailreonteu
You can acquire various rare stuff .
9. < New Year's Eve achievements > event is in progress.
1) Level 33 or reminder to all users , click the achievement of the shape of the trophy quests and description
Can participate in the event .
2) Complete each achievement in five kinds of exciting special gift each time you are paid.
3) When you are finished with five kinds of exciting achievements - year in King of decoration can be obtained.
4) Maple ID compensation per event only once.
< Quest Related>
One . New mini-games have been added to the quest .
- New Year's Eve - New Year's Defense What's this?
- New Year's Eve - New Year's defense position !
- Title - typist
- Title - Beam 's comments with multiple
- Title - god of battle keyboard
- [ New Year ] is both the OX quiz ?
- [ New Year ] namneunya problem ! I namneunya ! OX quiz page.
- [ New Year ] bangpaeyeon , the large expanse of the chase !
< Items Related>
One . Chestnut chestnut stand on the coin shop to greet new tab has been added to the following items .
(Since that will add even more variety of goods . )
- Hall of Noodles
- Hall of kkultteok
Action books : Red Ranger teaching methods stand
- Action book : Blue Ranger teaching methods stand
Action books : Ranger Green teaching methods stand
Action books : Yellow Ranger teaching methods stand
- Action book : Pink Ranger teaching methods stand
- [ 30] Defense lottery voucher bubble ring
- [ 30] Defense nameplate ring voucher lottery
- Magazine cover model chairs message
- News of the hero chair message
Keyboard Warrior Skin Damage
Two . The new mini-games , and achievements of the following items have been added to compensate .
- Hall of rainbow rice cake
- Decoration: typist
- Decoration: multiple beams of comments
- Decoration: Battle of the New Keyboard
- Decorations : New Year goal king
< Cache-related >
One . Pets have been added to the action .
- How to obtain : Action Pat Cash Shop can be purchased as a cache to 0 .
- Features of the pet action
∙ pet is transformed into action and possible evolution of a new pet .
∙ Action pet of the character of similar level monsters will automatically change and appearance
To combat the secondary characters provide buff .
∙ Action provides pet pet buff skill level increases, the effect increases.
- The evolution of the pet action
∙ When the action level of 30 pet ' accelerator ' item using the following steps:
You can evolve .
∙ ' accelerator ' item received from the lease of the harbor , you can dim Poppy .
Two . After 2nd Cody King contest is in progress.
- Cody King After 2nd contest is in progress.
∙ Dress Code: Forbidden tail of my friends
Course Length ∙ test server
First test period: Tues 1.21 - Wed 01.22
Maple Cody King Challenge
1/21 08:00 - 1/21 18:00
.
Cody King preliminary voting
1/21 18:00 - 1/21 21:00
.
Cody King , this propaganda Vote
1/21 21:00 - 1/22 12:00
2 days advance
King Maple challenge examination
Collection period compensation
1/22 12:00 - 1/22 18:00
.
Second Test Period: Thurs 01.23 - Fri. 1.24
Maple Cody King Challenge
1/23 08:00 - 1/23 12:00
.
Cody King preliminary voting
1/23 12:00 - 1/23 15:00
.
Cody King , this propaganda Vote
1/23 15:00 - 1/24 12:00
2 days advance
King Maple challenge examination
Collection period compensation
1/24 12:00 - 1/24 18:00
.
- Cody King contest Recurrence following two changes.
∙ Students can participate in an existing increased to 200 to 400 people .
∙ qualifying round and the final candidate has been added to the runway .
Cody King in the very center of the main stage to watch unfold on the runway, the candidate's gorgeous .
Send fan mail ∙ account limit has been added to the final .
One day per account, up to 100 Maple fan mail can be sent to the candidates .
∙ Cody Cody King King compensation can be only the main stage .
If you wish to receive compensation and me to visit the main stage of the Mishawaka .
∙ final payout has been changed.
Traditionally, 1-3 , etc. I was able to get a prize , but fan mail revenue .
- Geumbeon from [ Tail Award] , such as the addition of eight candidates who sent fan mail
Paenbun aficionado who returns to a predetermined prize
TLDR: I think they said something about ehancement changing from 15>25, The first 11 stars no longer booming? and For superior equipment the first 8 stars no longer booming. Something about if item booms you can get a record?(no clue, maybe some way to get a clean version of boomed item o.o) and that scrolling objects get stronger depending on Level now. And that from 16 stars+ the gains are suppose to be really high o...o. Thats what i got from this broken english. Some stuff about that pq place that has all servers connected/ stuff about events, a new monster farm house was added, and some stuff was changed with Seed Tower, fixed some issues.
Patch Available - KMST 1.2.497 - Encyclopedic - 2014-01-21
Spoiler
Equipment Enhancement System >
One . New equipment has been added to strengthen the system .
*
Two . Strengthening methods using available equipment .
- Equipment needed to enhance and strengthen methods of the equipment level rises in proportion to the stage .
- Seamless testing methods are needed to strengthen the equipment set to low .
*
Three . Steps reinforcement equipment is one step strengthening rising success and failure, the reinforcement phase is a step drop .
*
Four . 15 steps to strengthen the general characteristics of the equipment up to the castle was changed to 25 .
- 16 St. stats gains from higher than in the previous step .
- 1 star - 11 St. to equipment failure, the equipment is not destroyed strengthened .
- 1 Star - 2 Star steps to strengthen the equipment failure will remain enhanced .
- Enhancing equipment orders, with orders to reinforce the advanced equipment equipment equipment is changed to strengthen the system
*****Can be used, and can just use the existing order . However, after 15 Sex strengthening equipment
*****Only strengthen the system for the new equipment can be enhanced upward steps .
- Strengthening amazing equipment used equipment order is changed to strengthen the system can not use the equipment .
****In addition, the top 15 characteristics of strengthening phase is not changed .
*
5. Superior equipment, the best step is to strengthen the existing maintenance and will be equal to 15, the castle .
- 1 star to 8 -star to equipment failure, the equipment is not destroyed strengthened .
*
6. If the equipment is to be destroyed , you can obtain an order of the tracks . In addition to the destruction of equipment
***The system can reduce the damage to be added.
*
7. The new equipment will strengthen the system , after sufficient testing on the test server to a full server
***Many changes will be applied and can be
*
*
"Game Related>
One . Monster Monster and building a new life has been added.
*
Two . Guild will be modified with respect to the following points .
- One is offline United Nations to help raise or lower position fixes.
- The carton / World Integration Party Quest / Boss Arena was also modified so that the accumulated contribution .
****(However, the maximum value is exceeded, the contribution of the daily accumulation is not included.)
*
Three . Submarine Tower " The Seed" is modified with respect to the following points .
- Overall ranking is updated , the corresponding message will be displayed across the world .
- The Cash Shop in the lobby and the seed channel has been modified to allow movement .
- The first floor is a little more spread seed .
- 13 layers, the first position when the other user was not summoned monster phenomenon
****Fixed.
- Monsters from the 20th floor of the Tin Woodman , check the problem situation temporarily until the problem is resolved
****20 stories have been modified so that you can skip .
*
*
< Events Related>
One . The deadline has been extended to the station mini-games .
- The content is from 28 February 2014 to be played .
*
Two . Chestnut chestnut coin shop was expanded and extended .
- Set new tabs: new welcome tab has been released , and a variety of items .
- Description of the items are new welcome tab carrots can be purchased using coins .
- The NPC village at night through the snout to 7 March 2014 is available.
*
Three . Mini- games < both OX Quiz > has been added.
100 ins where players can enjoy together OX quiz.
- The problem is given a total of 20 issues , compensation is presented as the carrot coins and bags .
****Meet a lot of problems , the more rewards will be offered .
- The game is keeping all positions until the end of the ticket is presented more as a reward bonus stages .
- 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. , every hour 50 minutes flying over the head with an invitation to come
*****You can also position .
- The content is from 28 February 2014 to be played .
*
Four . Mini Games < New Year's Defense > has been added.
- One person can be challenging defense game batting stroke .
- To be played 10 times a day .
- Difficulty Easy , Normal, Hard difficulty to clear the previous once divided into the following
*****You can play difficulty .
- Score based on compensation is presented to the carrot coins and bags . Add to hard mode
*****Tickets are presented to the stage to play the bonus .
- First Quest - New Year's Eve - New Year's defense is ? ' To do , and then NPC in town who myeonggung wolmyo
*****I say , or click the icon to the left of the entry can be
- The content is from 28 February 2014 to be played .
*
5. Mini Games < bangpaeyeon expanse for the chase ! > Has been added.
- At least 2 up to 5 people can participate in mini- player game.
- The ever-changing set of autumnal colors under the sun , depending on the number of food rewards , such as a collection
*****You can get paid .
- 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. , flying over your head for 30 minutes every hour through invitation
*****You can also position .
- The content is from 28 February 2014 to be played .
*
6. Mini Games < bonus stage > was added.
- Using the seesaw swing and shoot characters floating in the air you can get the item
*****Mini- game.
- Mini- game bonus stages is given as a reward ticket , you can play.
- The content is from 28 February 2014 to be played .
*
7. EFH attendance check is in progress.
- The screen on the left is quick and easy with a happy reminder attendance attendance can participate in check .
*
Eight . Master of safe event is in progress.
- 33 level or any user on January 22 , 23 days , 24 days daily 10:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. at Hennessy 's
*****Rich to gold at the event , you can participate in the test .
- Obtained from monsters level range [Gold Reach Figures ] to meet the challenge , you can password .
- [ Gold Rich Figures ] is the day of the event is in progress, you can only get .
- According to the three-digit password to open the safe stone- coins, Pape Nir weapons, including belt tailreonteu
*****You can acquire various rare stuff .
*
9. < New Year's Eve achievements > event is in progress.
1) Level 33 or reminder to all users , click the achievement of the shape of the trophy quests and description
*****Can participate in the event .
2) Complete each achievement in five kinds of exciting special gift each time you are paid.
3) When you are finished with five kinds of exciting achievements - year in King of decoration can be obtained.
4) Maple ID compensation per event only once.
*
*
< Quest Related>
One . New mini-games have been added to the quest .
- New Year's Eve - New Year's Defense What's this?
- New Year's Eve - New Year's defense position !
- Title - typist
- Title - Beam 's comments with multiple
- Title - god of battle keyboard
- [ New Year ] is both the OX quiz ?
- [ New Year ] namneunya problem ! I namneunya ! OX quiz page.
- [ New Year ] bangpaeyeon , the large expanse of the chase !
*
*
< Items Related>
One . Chestnut chestnut stand on the coin shop to greet new tab has been added to the following items .
***(Since that will add even more variety of goods . )
- Hall of Noodles
- Hall of kkultteok
Action books : Red Ranger teaching methods stand
- Action book : Blue Ranger teaching methods stand
Action books : Ranger Green teaching methods stand
Action books : Yellow Ranger teaching methods stand
- Action book : Pink Ranger teaching methods stand
- [ 30] Defense lottery voucher bubble ring
- [ 30] Defense nameplate ring voucher lottery
- Magazine cover model chairs message
- News of the hero chair message
Keyboard Warrior Skin Damage
*
Two . The new mini-games , and achievements of the following items have been added to compensate .
- Hall of rainbow rice cake
- Decoration: typist
- Decoration: multiple beams of comments
- Decoration: Battle of the New Keyboard
- Decorations : New Year goal king
Enjoy the gibberish.
Well, ninja'd
Not sure, but does this say 1-11 stars don't boom any.ore? That's amazing, but it just starts a new power creep.
Patch Available - KMST 1.2.497 - CakesXD - 2014-01-21
Indeed Wrote:4. 일반 장비의 최고 강화 단계가 15성에서 25성으로 변경되었습니다.
- 16성부터 능력치 상승폭이 이전 단계보다 높아집니다.
- 1성 ~ 11성까지 장비 강화 실패 시 장비가 파괴되지 않습니다.
- 1성 ~ 3성까지 장비 강화 실패 시 강화 단계가 유지됩니다.
- 장비 강화 주문서, 고급 장비 강화 주문서를 사용한 장비는 변경된 장비 강화 시스템을
이용할 수 있고, 기존 주문서를 그대로 사용할 수 있습니다. 다만, 15성 이후 장비 강화는
새로운 장비 강화 시스템을 통해서만 강화 단계를 상승 시킬 수 있습니다.
- 놀라운 장비 강화 주문서가 사용된 장비는 변경된 장비 강화 시스템을 이용할 수 없습니다.
또한, 최고 강화 단계가 15성으로 변경이 없습니다.
Did they just...raise the enhancement limit to 25?
Seems like it. If my understanding of the gibberish is correct, this doesn't apply to Superior items.
Patch Available - KMST 1.2.497 - Mazz - 2014-01-21
Yup, looks like enhancement cap is raised to 25, rofl.
Imagine a 25 star MEE'd equip.
I wonder if this will make enhancing non-weapons worthwhile without MEEs.
Patch Available - KMST 1.2.497 - SaptaZapta - 2014-01-21
Mazz Wrote:Yup, looks like enhancement cap is raised to 25, rofl.
Imagine a 25 star MEE'd equip.
I wonder if this will make enhancing non-weapons worthwhile without MEEs.
Worthwhile?
If EE's can't boom, why wouldn't you just toss them on anything you're wearing? Even if all you get is a couple mainstat, that's still a free couple of mainstat.
Patch Available - KMST 1.2.497 - PeePeeAyeDeeKay - 2014-01-21
Not 100% sure, but it seems to be:
Max enhancement raised from 15 to 25.
1-3 stars - failure rate maintained.(?)
1-11 stars - failure does not result in boom.
16+ stars - stat gain will be higher than enhancements prior.
There's something about being able to enhance up to 15 with existing Enhancement Scrolls?
Superior Equipment (like Tyrants):
Max enhancement raised to 15.
1-8 stars - failure does not result in boom.
At the end of that section it says something about after sufficient testing.. I'd guess they're revamping the Enhancement system..
Patch Available - KMST 1.2.497 - DavyJonesx - 2014-01-21
Wow game changer @_@
I bet no1 will invest in ee'ing tyrants in GMS for a while then?
Patch Available - KMST 1.2.497 - ManxDrk - 2014-01-21
" 5. Superior equipment, the best step is to strengthen the existing maintenance and will be equal to 15, the castle .
- 1 star to 8 -star to equipment failure, the equipment is not destroyed strengthened . "
What? If im understanding well, 1-8 stars on tyrants will be free? cool f3
edit: ninja'd so hard
Patch Available - KMST 1.2.497 - Alloy - 2014-01-21
OOOOH. So they are doing the "buff all other stats to compensate potential"
It makes some sense to me at least.
Patch Available - KMST 1.2.497 - Razmos - 2014-01-21
Glorious! Glorious!
A change to the scrolling system that positively impacts the unfunded. I'm really happy about this.
It kinda sucked just getting like 1 star on my equipment and then being too afraid to go any further, because I wasn't willing to spend nearly $10 on a scroll.
I mean it isn't 15 stars, but 8 stars on my Tyrant Cape would help me immensely.
Patch Available - KMST 1.2.497 - SaptaZapta - 2014-01-21
Razmos Wrote:Glorious! Glorious!
A change to the scrolling system that positively impacts the unfunded. I'm really happy about this.
It kinda sucked just getting like 1 star on my equipment and then being too afraid to go any further, because I wasn't willing to spend nearly $10 on a scroll.
I mean it isn't 15 stars, but 8 stars on my Tyrant Cape would help me immensely.
But if this is correct
PeePeeAyeDeeKay Wrote:Not 100% sure, but it seems to be:
Max enhancement raised from 15 to 25.
1-3 stars - failure rate maintained.(?)
1-11 stars - failure does not result in boom.
16+ stars - stat gain will be higher than enhancements prior.
then it's actually a bonus for the funded. You still have to pay to protect stars 2 and 3, but once you're over that, the next 8 are free.
Guess we'll wait for more confident human translations before passing verdict.
Alloy Wrote:OOOOH. So they are doing the "buff all other stats to compensate potential"
It makes some sense to me at least.
How is that compensating potential? Every stat you add to your gear is amplified by your potential, so, if anything, this makes good potential even more valuable.
Patch Available - KMST 1.2.497 - DavyJonesx - 2014-01-21
Razmos Wrote:Glorious! Glorious!
A change to the scrolling system that positively impacts the unfunded. I'm really happy about this.
It kinda sucked just getting like 1 star on my equipment and then being too afraid to go any further, because I wasn't willing to spend nearly $10 on a scroll.
I mean it isn't 15 stars, but 8 stars on my Tyrant Cape would help me immensely.
But... if 8 stars becomes the new norm, then 8 stars isn't that much of benefit anymore as it was before, right?
Making you relatively as strong/weak as you were before compared to others, cause everyone gets the same boost?
Edit:
Actually it's different with Tyrants cause they still got a max of 15 stars. Making the max stars unfunded can get higher, while the funded still got the same max amount of stars they can get.
So I guess you're right? :f6:
Patch Available - KMST 1.2.497 - Alloy - 2014-01-21
SaptaZapta Wrote:But if this is correct
then it's actually a bonus for the funded. You still have to pay to protect stars 2 and 3, but once you're over that, the next 8 are free.
Guess we'll wait for more confident human translations before passing verdict.
How is that compensating potential? Every stat you add to your gear is amplified by your potential, so, if anything, this makes good potential even more valuable.
aaaaah...
Ok, it sounded better in my head.
Patch Available - KMST 1.2.497 - Razmos - 2014-01-21
DavyJonesx Wrote:But... if 8 stars becomes the new norm, then 8 stars isn't that much of benefit anymore as it was before, right?
Making you relatively as strong/weak as you were before compared to others, cause everyone gets the same boost?
Edit:
Actually it's different with Tyrants cause they still got a max of 15 stars. Making the max stars unfunded can get higher, while the funded still got the same max amount of stars they can get.
So I guess you're right? :f6:
You are assuming that I am comparing my strength to others, which i'm not. I don't care if everyone gets stronger with me, that's a good thing.
8 stars is still a benefit to the player because it is more stats. I am definitely going to feel the benefits, and so will many other players who don't usually enhance their equipment.
Patch Available - KMST 1.2.497 - DavyJonesx - 2014-01-21
Razmos Wrote:You are assuming that I am comparing my strength to others, which i'm not. I don't care if everyone gets stronger with me, that's a good thing.
8 stars is still a benefit to the player because it is more stats. I am definitely going to feel the benefits, and so will many other players who don't usually enhance their equipment.
You're missing my point -_-
I'm was trying to tell you that if EVERYONE gets stronger, than in reality nothing changes...
