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Worlds first lab-grown beef - Satellite - 2013-08-06

I know I'm a few days late but there was no discussion about this yet, so...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323420604578650194180347284.html
The Wall Street Journal Wrote:LONDON—Maybe it could have used ketchup.

Dutch scientists on Monday unveiled a hamburger made from beef grown in a lab—not raised on a farm—that was then cooked and eaten at a West London arts and television studio.
What's for Lunch?

The 5-oz. patty cost more than $330,000 to produce. Sergey Brin, a co-founder of Google, funded the project.

Can science solve the world's growing demand for meat? A Dutch researcher has unveiled the world's first "test-tube" burger in London. Ken Cook, co-founder and president of the Environmental Working Group, a public-health advocacy organization, joins Lunch Break to discuss. Photo: David Parry/PA Wire.

Who would spend thousands of dollars on a burger? Google founder Sergey Brin backed a project that has created the world's first lab-made burger with $330,000. MarketWatch's Thomas Bemis explains what motivated Mr. Brin to do the investment. (Photo: Getty Images/David Parry/PA Wire)

The lab-grown burger, unveiled from under a silver warming dish, was nestled in a clear circular dish. It appeared to have the texture of raw ground beef but was given its pink hue from red beet juice and saffron. The patty, which also contained bread crumbs and a binder to hold the meat together, was then fried in sunflower oil and butter and taste-tested by a food writer and a food scientist who weren't involved in the research, at a news briefing in front of an audience of about 200.

The testers described the patty as largely having the texture and juiciness of meat, though not the intense flavor typical of beef. They said the burger needed seasoning. (Reporters weren't given the opportunity to taste the meat because there wouldn't have been enough for everyone, an event organizer said.)

The multiyear project, which cost over €250,000 and produced the single patty, was funded by Google co-founder Sergey Brin.

The idea of growing meat in the laboratory has long appealed to some scientists and environmental experts for sustainability and ethical reasons. One United Nations study estimates that 70% of agricultural land is used to raise livestock. A single cell taken from an animal can multiply into 40 billion cells in the lab. But the endeavor to produce lab-cultured meat has been expensive, and the texture and taste of real meat is difficult to replicate.

Monday's demonstration was meant to be a proof of concept, according to Mark Post, the professor of physiology at Maastricht University in the Netherlands who spearheaded the research. It may be another decade or two before lab-grown beef is stocked in grocery stores, he said.

The cultured beef, composed of muscle cells, was grown in the lab by harvesting a sample of muscle tissue from a cow. The tissue was then cut into small pieces and separated into fat and muscle cells. The individual muscle-specific stem cells were then grown in the shape of a ring and cut so they formed strands. These strands were layered to formed sheets of tissue to get the consistency of beef.

Growing the muscle cells that form meat is relatively easy, according to Dr. Post. Muscle cells divide and organize on their own if they are grown in the proper environment and given an anchor point, like a tendon. Still, Dr. Post and his small team of colleagues had to figure out which type of nutrient solution and which type of anchor could best support the growth of the cells.

Meat from animals also includes fat and tendons. The scientists now are trying to grow fat as well, which is thought to contribute to the distinctive taste of meat. "Taste is a very complex issue," said Dr. Post.

Lab-grown beef isn't considered a genetically modified food because the cells in the meat are derived from the same stem cells that grow into muscle cells in cows. Dr. Post said such meat should be as safe as regular beef but that it would take years to know the effect on humans.
Had a good laugh about the comments on this. "Disgusting", "Ew, wouldn't put the chemicals these things have in my mouth". Some people are just too stupid to do research. Someone should show the stuff put into their sausages.

Where does normal beef come from? Cow
Where does lab-grown beef come from? Cow

The main difference really just is that the animal doesn't need to be killed to get meat. This specific beef had way less additives than the ones in grocery stores, if any.

When it becomes more reasonably priced to make these, I'll be among the first to buy.


Worlds first lab-grown beef - huehuehue - 2013-08-06

I think it's just as stupid when people in the comment section bring up GMOs. Whatever complaints people have about GMOs (some valid, many not), lab grown beef is in no way genetically modified. At least, no more genetically modified than the basic selection that occurred from breeding cows over however long they've been domesticated.


Worlds first lab-grown beef - Satellite - 2013-08-06

huehuehue Wrote:I think it's just as stupid when people in the comment section bring up GMOs. Whatever complaints people have about GMOs (some valid, many not), lab grown beef is in no way genetically modified. At least, no more genetically modified than the basic selection that occurred from breeding cows over however long they've been domesticated.

Not to mention chickens that are killed at under 1 month old. If that's not disgusting, I don't know what is.


Worlds first lab-grown beef - Flonne - 2013-08-06

Satellite Wrote:Not to mention chickens that are killed at under 1 month old. If that's not disgusting, I don't know what is.

Right, I'd say lab-grown is MORE ethical than naturally grown, honestly. The "you can't play god" crowd will just have to deal with it, eventually.

The problem I see is one they mentioned in the article; it only replicates the original cell, not all of the different cell types that make up an actual animal. It will be difficult to efficiently produce composite-cell lab grown foods, but that's the only way to keep the taste halfway decent; meat without fat just doesn't taste like meat. I don't even like the fatty parts, but I know it adds flavor to the dish.

I wonder if this means vegetarians will start eating meat, since there are no "animal torture" reasons once this is made standard.


Worlds first lab-grown beef - Dudewitbow - 2013-08-06

I'd eat it. simply put


Worlds first lab-grown beef - Razmos - 2013-08-06

If this goes well, and meat can be mass-manufactured, it could help with world hunger problems.
Considering the cost of just one of those burgers right now I doubt it would be anytime soon, but the possibility is there for creating something out of barely nothing.

And of course it prevents animal cruelty too. Sure, some animals will have to die for the cells needed, but nowhere near as many as they do now, there was even a PETA spokesperson on TV here saying that killing a few animals is a worthy sacrifice to end the suffering of millions more and I completely agree.

It's gotten to the point where barely anything we eat or drink is natural anymore. It's not as much of a leap as people think it is.


Worlds first lab-grown beef - Sephie - 2013-08-06

I also like that comment "I don't want to put chemicals in my mouth" as if denoting "chemicals" are bad, specifically unique, and synonymous with "carcinogenic" or "toxic". It's the biggest declaration of how little you know about anything on this subject.

If they are able to create a mass marketable lab grown meat, there are huge positive implications to the environment, energy crisis, and possibly even healthcare.


Worlds first lab-grown beef - DeanNim - 2013-08-06

wasnt there an article somewhere that said cows release more co2 to the environment compared to cars. so, yay to the environment (if we didnt have to raise so much cows anymore) ??


Worlds first lab-grown beef - maplefreak26 - 2013-08-06

I saw this yesterday on a different website but I wasn't sure if this was recent since I wasn't able to find the date.

Truly is fascinating though. I wonder when the price will go down enough so that average consumers will be able to get this (and hopefully it'll be cheaper than organic grass-fed beef).
I know pomegranate meat is there but I'm not sure if that's cheap enough nor would people even want that at all.


Worlds first lab-grown beef - JoeTang - 2013-08-06

Does the lab grown beef feel pain? Because if it doesn't, it can't possibly be as delicious as God grown beef.


Worlds first lab-grown beef - Satellite - 2013-08-07

I know this may sound cruel, but I don't know if completely solving world hunger would be a good idea. The problem is not that we have too little food, but that we have too many mouths. World hunger is basically natures way of saying: "There's too much of you guys, start using birth control especially if you can't afford to feed even that 1 kid"

Plain fact is, people need to stop having more than 2 kids or we'll have problems more serious than anything by now, ahead of us.


Worlds first lab-grown beef - IllegallySane - 2013-08-07

Now here's the daunting question: How up in arms will farmers feel about this? I don't think there are subsidies for beef, but this can cause a loss of profits for farmers that rely on selling beef to make a living.


Worlds first lab-grown beef - VerrKol - 2013-08-07

Satellite Wrote:I know this may sound cruel, but I don't know if completely solving world hunger would be a good idea. The problem is not that we have too little food, but that we have too many mouths. World hunger is basically natures way of saying: "There's too much of you guys, start using birth control especially if you can't afford to feed even that 1 kid"

Plain fact is, people need to stop having more than 2 kids or we'll have problems more serious than anything by now, ahead of us.

Actually food production is hardly the limiting factor. It's a matter of distribution. Countries like the US produce vastly more food than it consumes, but most of the excess doesn't go to feed starving children in Africa or whatever. The kids there aren't necessarily starving because of overpopulation. More often it's because of war, oppressive governments, or the occasional natural disaster.

If you want to talk about pollution which is somewhat related to population control you may have an argument, but the starving children aren't the ones driving Hummers around so I'm not sure you have a leg to stand on.

Overcrowding applies more to localized areas in urban cities. If these people were willing to move for redistribution, there's still plenty of land available for expansion. Canada is hardly suffering from a lack of land for instance.


Worlds first lab-grown beef - VerrKol - 2013-08-07

IllegallySane Wrote:Now here's the daunting question: How up in arms will farmers feel about this? I don't think there are subsidies for beef, but this can cause a loss of profits for farmers that rely on selling beef to make a living.

I'm not sure how much we subsidize beef, but we heavily subsidize the feed that the cows consume. I'm sure the farm lobbyists will fight this to their dying breath.


Worlds first lab-grown beef - Mazz - 2013-08-07

I'm vegetarian and I'd eat it. Woo, science.


Worlds first lab-grown beef - Moonlapse - 2013-08-07

Stem cell biology is an awesome field. Still, this doesn't surprise me very much. The structure of skeletal muscle on the gross anatomical level isn't as complex as other structures. I would really be impressed if they grew an arm or an eyeball, but that's because I'm more biased to medical applications.

Still awesome, though. Thanks for sharing this.


Worlds first lab-grown beef - hadriel - 2013-08-07

Moonlapse Wrote:Stem cell biology is an awesome field. Still, this doesn't surprise me very much. The structure of skeletal muscle on the gross anatomical level isn't as complex as other structures. I would really be impressed if they grew an arm or an eyeball, but that's because I'm more biased to medical applications.

Still awesome, though. Thanks for sharing this.

Organ culture isn't new.

Hadriel


Worlds first lab-grown beef - KhainiWest - 2013-08-07

Moonlapse Wrote:Stem cell biology is an awesome field. Still, this doesn't surprise me very much. The structure of skeletal muscle on the gross anatomical level isn't as complex as other structures. I would really be impressed if they grew an arm or an eyeball, but that's because I'm more biased to medical applications.

Still awesome, though. Thanks for sharing this.

They've actually done the eyeball at least, and an ear iirc. Both work better then their biological counterparts or something.


Worlds first lab-grown beef - Moonlapse - 2013-08-07

hadriel Wrote:Organ culture isn't new.

Hadriel

Oh, derp. I haven't really been keeping up with the news. n_n


Worlds first lab-grown beef - Scaeva - 2013-08-07

As a vegetarian it's nice to see this. Still wouldn't eat it, but it's nice that it's there. Hopefully we can come up with good replacements for other animal related products soon too.

I'm not looking forward to the public 'resistance' to this though. People should really learn to shut up about things if they haven't properly researched it (or have had formal education on the subject). I honestly can't wait until I can finally start working with GMOs myself. Who knows, I might even end up working on something like this (though I'm planning to work with plants).