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Horntail's Arms - nighthawkspt - 2008-12-02
I didn't really know where to put this so uh I know the wings heal all body parts like 250k but not sure how often. Also the main question is I realize the arms do heal some during the battle even without the wings, but I'm not entirely sure how much or how often. Anyone know this?
Horntail's Arms - KajitiSouls - 2008-12-02
If it's like any boss, it would have a hidden regen rate of at least 10k HP. Other than that, I have no clue, never been there.
Horntail's Arms - Kaasoljoyyx - 2008-12-02
Is there any purpose to knowing this information as even if it was 1m extra [which is kinda extreme imo], your squad should be able to do that pretty quickly.
Horntail's Arms - nighthawkspt - 2008-12-02
I would like to know this information for crazy runs like a 1pt run or less in the future. Just fun stuff I would like to try and this information is very important as the wings have 270m hp and the arms have 230m hp. Thus if all your attacks hit both the wings and the arms the arms would go into mass sed before the wings die. Knowing about how much hp the arms have regened so you can kill the wings without having to resort to powerstrike would be very helpful here.
Horntail's Arms - Kaasoljoyyx - 2008-12-02
You'd all get mass sed and unless you keep yourself potted or have tons of hp, you'll probably die eventually from rocks or other attacks. What if you get sed, 1/1, and boom dead. Bishop wont' be able to heal cause it'll be sed too. Even then, bishop would probably die from rocks/other attacks.
Again with just regular sed, you'll need to take into account the person getting sed. What if they die? Will you give them heal? What about spawn?
I don't see a 1 party run, or even less, very plausible even if the 6 people were specially made characters, had godly gear, etc.
Horntail's Arms - nighthawkspt - 2008-12-02
Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:You'd all get mass sed and unless you keep yourself potted or have tons of hp, you'll probably die eventually from rocks or other attacks. What if you get sed, 1/1, and boom dead. Bishop wont' be able to heal cause it'll be sed too. Even then, bishop would probably die from rocks/other attacks.
Again with just regular sed, you'll need to take into account the person getting sed. What if they die? Will you give them heal? What about spawn?
I don't see a 1 party run, or even less, very plausible even if the 6 people were specially made characters, had godly gear, etc.
Well for one we avoid mass sed by not getting the arms to 50% hp until the end. That is quite easy to deal with. I can easily handle sed once there is only arms left anyway. Also a well experience party of 6 people could actually do this. Ideally I'd take myself, drk, pirate, bishop, shad, and another bishop likely. If all have very good survival skills the run is just a matter of time and patience for the most part. I hardly die at horntail honestly. If the party was reliable like that then the run would not so impossible as you say. I think it would be fun and challenging.
Horntail's Arms - KajitiSouls - 2008-12-02
Or just another huge long grind-fest just for bragging rights. Sounds like 6 hours of stabbing the monster a few times, then riding out seduce for several seconds.
Horntail's Arms - IsaacGS - 2008-12-02
Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:You'd all get mass sed and unless you keep yourself potted or have tons of hp, you'll probably die eventually from rocks or other attacks. What if you get sed, 1/1, and boom dead. Bishop wont' be able to heal cause it'll be sed too. Even then, bishop would probably die from rocks/other attacks.If you had a terrible worst case scenario like that, then one of the bishops could use Hero's will to escape seduce and heal away.
Again with just regular sed, you'll need to take into account the person getting sed. What if they die? Will you give them heal? What about spawn?
I don't see a 1 party run, or even less, very plausible even if the 6 people were specially made characters, had godly gear, etc.
Horntail's Arms - y0y0y0y0shi0 - 2008-12-02
LOL this is on Sleepywood =P
but i dont see how you cant have a 1 party run, with smart enough people you could pull it off, just remember to use Hero's Will! =P
Horntail's Arms - Five Second Pose - 2008-12-02
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:LOL this is on Sleepywood =P
That contributes to this thread how?
Also, Isaac, I thought you couldn't use skills when seduced?
Horntail's Arms - WillDaSnail - 2008-12-02
Rayquaza2233 Wrote:That contributes to this thread how?Hero's Will/Awakening can be used. (However, it has a cooldown, so use it wisely!)
Also, Isaac, I thought you couldn't use skills when seduced?
From my knowledge, arms only seduce the specified person (usually in the order they come in the HT map, if Im correct) until he/she dies, then moves on to the next target. The only way arms can mass-seduce is when its HP is taken out by 50% or more.
Do a little reasoning there
Horntail's Arms - nighthawkspt - 2008-12-02
Lol sw hardly responded gg. Well no one seems to know how much it heals guess I'll have to try to figure it out from watching more closely.
Horntail's Arms - BlotterArt - 2008-12-03
EDIT: blah you already answered what I was gonna ask.
It's easily doable, just yeah, time
Just take your zak solo, replace it with alot more hp, wind booster, and alot less pot usage
(the quality of the pots is a tad more expensive though of course)
Horntail's Arms - Kevo - 2008-12-03
By the time the Squad gets Mass Sed, the only dangers are the falling rocks. Besides Mass Sed, if a Bishop got Sed then the run is already considered a failure. Even so, Bishops are usually never seduced during the waves of Mass Seduce.
Horntail's Arms - Kaasoljoyyx - 2008-12-03
The only thing the pirate will be able to do will be to reset res if it was max, so 20 minutes. Hero's will too, but you get sed pretty often. A party of ranged with SE, and there's still like 2~3+ mass sed's from both arms easily. According to jms friend, time leap doesn't affect smoke but idk if that really is true or not.
Really, if your bishop dies, you're pretty much screwed. Even with 2, idk. You gotta think about tail also.
@Above, this is a 1party run, so they'll all be seduced.
Horntail's Arms - nighthawkspt - 2008-12-03
Once you get down to just the arms only melee would attack really since they can handle sed without heal. Even if you are sed twice in a row you are sent the other way so you still have enough hp or at least I do. Sure arms would take a while but hey if you make it that far the battle is as good as won.
Horntail's Arms - Resonance - 2008-12-03
The problem with a single-party run is that mass seduce hits 12 or so people, so the entire party will be mass seduced. Sure a Bishop can Hero's Will out of seduce and heal the party, but with 6 people and 230m HP, you may be mass seduced more often in 10 minutes than you have Hero's Will. You'd bring 2 Bishops, so that's 2 Hero's Will + Heal in 10 min, coupled with everyone else's individual Hero's Will to get you out of 3 mass seduce. Add Time Leap and that's 6. I haven't actually averaged how many times I'd get mass seduced, but it's risky regardless. Plus, you'd have to take into account the fact that the right hand Seals.
I suppose with the party that you would bring (Hero, Shadower, DrK, Buccaneer, Bishop, Bishop), they could survive the barrage of rocks while in seduce with their HP (HP/MP for the Bishops), or as you said, to only have the melee classes attack while the Bishops sit and Resurrect if deaths were to occur. It would just take a long time to complete the task. Plus, before you'd even get there though, you'd have to worry about getting past the tail and legs with only 3 attackers (4 if one of the Bishops attack). I suppose ME would become useful there. *ponders*
Don't get me wrong - it can and likely will be done one day.
Horntail's Arms - Kaasoljoyyx - 2008-12-03
^Like above said and to respond to your post [TC], legs/tail will be a problem. Zakum is like what, 1/4 ish of HT HP and a hero solo is roughly 2hrs with apples. They get to double/trilple up on arms too to speed it up. You're bringing a few other classes but I think it's safe to say this run will go over 6 hrs. Plus the dispels and wep def ups, that adds more risk and death.
I just don't think it will be done. Sure it's possible maybe, but the effort, time, everything, just isn't worth it besides bragging rights. I wouldn't even worry about arms/mass sed unless tail/legs can be killed w/o a failure.
Horntail's Arms - Kevo - 2008-12-03
A HT Trio has already been achieved in MapleSEA. Can't recall if anything better has been done.
Horntail's Arms - nighthawkspt - 2008-12-03
Kaasoljoyyx Wrote:^Like above said and to respond to your post [TC], legs/tail will be a problem. Zakum is like what, 1/4 ish of HT HP and a hero solo is roughly 2hrs with apples. They get to double/trilple up on arms too to speed it up. You're bringing a few other classes but I think it's safe to say this run will go over 6 hrs. Plus the dispels and wep def ups, that adds more risk and death.
I just don't think it will be done. Sure it's possible maybe, but the effort, time, everything, just isn't worth it besides bragging rights. I wouldn't even worry about arms/mass sed unless tail/legs can be killed w/o a failure.
Actually I can solo zak in like hour 40 or less now(just did one at 180 1 hour and 27 minutes) and that's with a clean lunchbox. By my calculations I can kill crow in about 5 mins with apples whitch equates to nearly 70m dmg in one apple. Legs would take like about 25-30 mins at best if I were solo on them. Now with one party we could easily take that amount down much faster. Tail solo would take about 15-20 depending on things. Tail/Legs isn't that much time really. I've already planned most of this out it's really just understanding how to kill the wings without going into mass sed. That trio from msea sounds quite awesome I'd like to hear more about that.