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US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - Satellite - 2012-09-16

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-nuclear-arsenal-is-ready-for-overhaul/2012/09/15/428237de-f830-11e1-8253-3f495ae70650_story.html

The Washington Post Wrote:Aging U.S. nuclear arsenal slated for costly and long-delayed modernization
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By Dana Priest, Sunday, September 16, 3:50 AM

The U.S. nuclear arsenal, the most powerful but indiscriminate class of weapons ever created, is set to undergo the costliest overhaul in its history, even as the military faces spending cuts to its conventional arms programs at a time of fiscal crisis.

For two decades, U.S. administrations have confronted the decrepit, neglected state of the aging nuclear weapons complex. Yet officials have repeatedly put off sinking huge sums into projects that receive little public recognition, driving up the costs even further.

Now, as the nation struggles to emerge from the worst recession of the postwar era and Congress faces an end-of-year deadline to avoid $1.2 trillion in automatic cuts to the federal budget over 10 years, the Obama administration is overseeing the gargantuan task of modernizing the nuclear arsenal to keep it safe and reliable.

There is no official price tag for the effort to upgrade and maintain the 5,113 warheads in the inventory, to replace old delivery systems and to renovate the aging facilities where nuclear work is performed. A study this summer by the nonpartisan Stimson Center, a Washington think tank, estimated costs would be at least $352 billion over the coming decade to operate and modernize the current arsenal. Others say the figure could be far higher, particularly if the work is delayed even longer.

The timing does not fit with the nation’s evolving defense posture, either. Over the past decade, the U.S. military has moved away from nuclear deterrence and major military interventions in favor of more precise tactics rooted in Special Operations forces and quick tactical strikes deemed more effective against today’s enemies.

Federal officials and many outside analysts are nonetheless convinced that, after years of delay, the government must invest huge sums if it is to maintain the air, sea and land nuclear triad on which the country has relied since the start of the Cold War. Failing to act before the end of next year, they say, is likely to mean that there won’t be enough time to design and build the new systems that would be required if the old arsenal is no longer safe or reliable.

“I’ve been doing this for 20 years, and I haven’t seen a moment like this,” Thomas P. D’Agostino, who leads the National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA), the federal agency charged with managing the safety of the nuclear arsenal, said in an interview.

The debate over the future of the nation’s nuclear arsenal is playing out in Congress and within the administration. Public reports, interviews with government officials and outside experts and visits to nuclear facilities rarely seen by outsiders provided a portrait of the scope and cost of maintaining and refurbishing the nuclear stockpile underlying the debate.

Expense has loomed for years

At the heart of the overhaul are the weapons themselves. Renovating nuclear bombs and missiles to keep them safe and ready for use will cost tens of billions of dollars. Upgrading just one of the seven types of weapons in the stockpile, the B61 bomb, is likely to cost $10 billion over five years, according to the Pentagon. The next two types of bombs in line for modification are estimated to cost a total of at least $5 billion. By comparison, the operating budget for Fairfax County government next year will cost about $3.5 billion, including its vaunted school system.


I thought the US economy was in trouble? Well it's only $352 billion! It's not even that much money!


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - JoeTang - 2012-09-16

Satellite Wrote:I thought the US economy was in trouble?

Democracy and freedom are in even more trouble.


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - Celan - 2012-09-16

Always money for war, never money for the hunger.
EARTH AT IT'S FINEST.


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - FenixR - 2012-09-16

You gotta love americans and their weapons obsessions.


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - Enzyme - 2012-09-16

The pineapple do you need 5,113 warheads for? 1000 should be plenty.


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - Foxino - 2012-09-16

This unsettles me.
Nuclear weapons should be the last resort in terms of war, are we expecting another war huh?


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - Duelman - 2012-09-16

Yeah the number amount isn't what bothers me about this.. I suppose disarming would be stupid though, I just wish they wouldn't publicize nuclear warheads at all in this day and age.

The thought of them upgrading the missiles/warehouse just brings the thought that they may want to use nuclear powers in the near future.


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - Flonne - 2012-09-16

I would rather they upgrade them than disarm or worse yet do nothing with them. Disarming them would make us less threatening to the people willing to do stupid pomegranate in the world (yes, stupider pomegranate than we ourselves would do), and leaving them obsolete with no maintenance for decades seems like a one way road to radioactive leakage killing millions of people.


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - SaptaZapta - 2012-09-16

Foxino Wrote:This unsettles me.
Nuclear weapons should be the last resort in terms of war, are we expecting another war huh?

If you want peace, prepare for war.

Enemies have this unsportsmanlike tendency to attack when they know you're not prepared.
Unless you're going to argue that the USA has no enemies?


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - Dredragon - 2012-09-16

20 fucking 12. Gj America


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - KhainiWest - 2012-09-16

Dredragon Wrote:20 pineappleing 12. Gj America

How did we stop world war 2? Nuke

How did we stop the middle east? Nuke

SENSE.


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - Derosis - 2012-09-16

Enzyme Wrote:The pineapple do you need 5,113 warheads for? 1000 should be plenty.

The communist countries that have theirs and threaten to use theirs?

Also all this work is spreading money through the US economy, only thing that would be getting imported was needed materials we can't produce (which would probably be about half ~ 4/6 of that 352 billion USD).


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - Dredragon - 2012-09-16

KhainiWest Wrote:How did we stop world war 2? Nuke

How did we stop the middle east? Nuke

SENSE.

HOW WILL WE END THE WORLD? NUKE. SENSE INDEED.


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - Satellite - 2012-09-16

Derosis Wrote:The communist countries that have theirs and threaten to use theirs?
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When you don't get the point, you just don't get it.

You will never use 5113 nukes without destroying the whole earth. Never. It's not about who has the most nukes, but who uses them first and smartest. Though, when it comes to Russia vs. USA, both countries would probably end up bombing each other into extinction.


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - Kabanaw - 2012-09-16

An estimate of 352 billion over the next 10 years. Not all at once, folks.


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - KhainiWest - 2012-09-16

I don't think you guy's actually understand what's going on lol.

1) We're pulling out, we're going to the pacific, next action hasn't been determined yet, but here's the problem. When we pull out and become isolationist's we lose clear visibility and intel concerning other countries. We have technology but there's limitations that can't overcome just simply being there. So when we pull out, the world is going to get rattled as we abandoned them to deal with the threat themselves. We become a target. Unless we build large moats with crocodiles alligators and fences that reach the atmosphere, we're fuc`ked.

2) By pulling out we no longer can flex our offense. We leave looking vulnerable, so refer to point number one, we need defense.

3) Our nuclear arms fleet has been decaying the last 2-3 decades. This administration has to bite the bullet and destroy it. Nuclear arms slowly decay and rot out even the capsules they are kept in, plus we want a method of retaliation if we face worst case scenario.


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - Derosis - 2012-09-16

Satellite Wrote:-snip-
When you don't get the point, you just don't get it.

You will never use 5113 nukes without destroying the whole earth. Never. It's not about who has the most nukes, but who uses them first and smartest. Though, when it comes to Russia vs. USA, both countries would probably end up bombing each other into extinction.


No I got the point, I'm pretty sure we all know they're not going to shoot them. They're insurance and the consequences for using them is too great to use them. You need to take a second to think "Hrm, maybe we all know that no one is going to shoot off Nuclear missiles".

Also using a meme to use a response makes you look stupid. Just saying.


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - Enzyme - 2012-09-16

Derosis Wrote:The communist countries that have theirs and threaten to use theirs?

Also all this work is spreading money through the US economy, only thing that would be getting imported was needed materials we can't produce (which would probably be about half ~ 4/6 of that 352 billion USD).

1 can wipe out Moscow..........


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - Niernen - 2012-09-16

About time.


US to spend $352bil on nuclear arsenal - Lozmaster - 2012-09-16

Satellite Wrote:but who uses them first and smartest.

There is no smart way to use nuclear weapons. Or any weapon that ravages the land so horribly for that matter.