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Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - SaptaZapta - 2010-11-30
I've been told it has no graphics and I was imagining seeing a flash when it fires...
[video=youtube;uZZPkiCXYIU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZZPkiCXYIU[/video]
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Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - CarrionCrow - 2010-11-30
No, you have been told it has no animation, and what is important in that regard is the character does not go into one. No one was arguing about the actual hit animation, because that was completely irrelevant in determing the efficency of FA post BB.
Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - SaptaZapta - 2010-11-30
CarrionCrow Wrote:There is no flash of FA from your sword.
Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - CarrionCrow - 2010-11-30
What I ment was that it does not come off of your sword directly. Which it does not.
Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - SaptaZapta - 2010-11-30
So? You said that in response to my question on whether the flash takes 0 time.
Your reply was that there was no flash.
Where it comes from is irrelevant to the question of whether it takes 0 time or not.
Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - CarrionCrow - 2010-11-30
I must have gotten you wrong then, it never hit me that someone would have any interest in the hit animation itself, because for me it was bloody obvious that FA would have one. The only thing I could think off that was interesting was if it threw your character into something delaying it. I do not get why you even pursue this. If you just wanted to know about the esthetics you should have said so from the start, since me and every other person responding was focusing on trying to tell you it was a good skill since it costs you absolutely nothing in speed or damage.
EDIT: Also, about quoting me from the other thread. My next post in there explained what I ment. If you are just out to squeeze me for some kind of error, you loose.
Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - SaptaZapta - 2010-11-30
Actually, "Failure", the guy who posted the video in the Tespia thread, and I think Stereo as well, seemed to understand you (or others) as saying that FA now activates completely invisibly.
And note that my OP does not name names. Only when you said "No one was arguing about the actual hit animation" did I feel the need to post that quote, since your "there is no flash" really had me doubting either my sanity or yours.
Anyway, now I understand what you meant. And hopefully so does anyone else as dense as myself, if there are any.
Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - Jamie_Kurosawa - 2010-11-30
Final Attack works still but is more or less now what is an after affect attack. It's still useful for extra damage unlike what people are claiming it to be, so don't let people tell you it's completely useless. That video was clear enough to show it still has some usefulness. It's in no way as strong as it once was and has a different range but still it has it's usefulness.
Whatever you feel is more suited to your fighting still will always work best.
Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - Sorien - 2010-11-30
Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:Final Attack works still but is more or less now what is an after affect attack. It's still useful for extra damage unlike what people are claiming it to be, so don't let people tell you it's completely useless. That video was clear enough to show it still has some usefulness. It's in no way as strong as it once was and has a different range but still it has it's usefulness.
Whatever you feel is more suited to your fighting still will always work best.
I have yet to see anyone that claims final attack is useless. At most people only say that it isn't very helpful when it activates with slash blast due to the damage still being reduced every time it hits another monster in a mob.
Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - ghostofhalo - 2010-11-30
Sorien Wrote:I have yet to see anyone that claims final attack is useless. At most people only say that it isn't very helpful when it activates with slash blast due to the damage still being reduced every time it hits another monster in a mob.It that even the case in Big Bang? I mean realistically it would do the same with all mobbing attacks: Ground Smash, Brandish, Brave Slash, Charged Blow, Rush, etc.
Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - JoeTang - 2010-11-30
ghostofhalo Wrote:It that even the case in Big Bang? I mean realistically it would do the same with all mobbing attacks: Ground Smash, Brandish, Brave Slash, Charged Blow, Rush, etc.
Final Attack only hits one monster unless you're using it with Slash Blast.
Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - ghostofhalo - 2010-11-30
JoeTang Wrote:Final Attack only hits one monster unless you're using it with Slash Blast.Well that seems even more of a marginal boost of DPS. I figured it hit every monster at a 40% chance (individually rolled per mob) so it could hit all, some, or none. It's not going to stop me from getting it. DPS is DPS. Brave Slash with Enrage will fix the random target but still, it's quite the downer.
Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - JoeTang - 2010-11-30
ghostofhalo Wrote:Well that seems even more of a marginal boost of DPS. I figured it hit every monster at a 40% chance (individually rolled per mob) so it could hit all, some, or none. It's not going to stop me from getting it. DPS is DPS. Brave Slash with Enrage will fix the random target but still, it's quite the downer.
It doesn't hit a random target. It hits the highest priority target within its hit box.
Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - BitchenCamero - 2010-11-30
JoeTang Wrote:Final Attack only hits one monster unless you're using it with Slash Blast.
Does FA triggered by Slash Blast still use the following formula after BB? I am trying to see if the damage reduces for each mob in an attack like it currently does.
Slash Blast FA:
D = 2 * (1/3) ^ (OrderHit - 1)
Cumulative damage = 3 * (1 - (1/3) ^ NumHits)
Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - Jamie_Kurosawa - 2010-11-30
That aspect isn't changing.
And Joe, regardless of what it strikes within it's radius, it's going to get hit whether it's in the multi-hit category or the single hit category. It's extra damage. As the other guys said DPS is DPS. 40% may not be each time every time, but that's still enough to trigger one almost every other attack.
Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - Stereo - 2010-11-30
peachenCamero Wrote:Does FA triggered by Slash Blast still use the following formula after BB? I am trying to see if the damage reduces for each mob in an attack like it currently does.
Slash Blast FA:
D = 2 * (1/3) ^ (OrderHit - 1)
Cumulative damage = 3 * (1 - (1/3) ^ NumHits)
It definitely reduces, but I couldn't find any maps with enough high-hp mobs to really test it properly, until I was already at a level where I didn't use SB anymore. On the first 2 targets it's about right though.
Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - JoeTang - 2010-12-01
Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:That aspect isn't changing.
And Joe, regardless of what it strikes within it's radius, it's going to get hit whether it's in the multi-hit category or the single hit category. It's extra damage. As the other guys said DPS is DPS. 40% may not be each time every time, but that's still enough to trigger one almost every other attack.
Unlike you, I've actually played these classes with Final Attack, and it doesn't provide a significant or noticeable bonus in training.
Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - Jamie_Kurosawa - 2010-12-01
JoeTang Wrote:Unlike you, I've actually played these classes with Final Attack, and it doesn't provide a significant or noticeable bonus in training.
So you assume I've never used Final Attack at all then? Joe you assume too much.
Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - Locked - 2010-12-01
Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:So you assume I've never used Final Attack at all then? Joe you assume too much.
Pre-BB Experience =/= Post-BB experience.
Warrior Final Attack after Big Bang - Jamie_Kurosawa - 2010-12-01
You'd be surprised...