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Bow/Xbow speeds - Technolink - 2008-09-02
Well I can say I've always been that skeptic guy. I could never believe that Nexon/Wizet/Whoever would make bows and xbows fire at the same speed, but alas, its true.
Kev frapped a ranger and a sniper (normal/booster) shooting. I then extracted the sound from that clip (no BGM) and put it into audacity to see a visual representation. Clipping a little at the beginning, I was left with easily identifiable shots.
From there, I just connected the first bow shot to the first xbow, etc etc, and both ended up having the same amount of shots in the same amount of space. My end results were between 82~84 shots per minute, but that's not what I was looking for, I was just seeing if they fired at the same rate.
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WHY NEXON WHY!!!!
Bow/Xbow speeds - Russt - 2008-09-02
Russt Wrote:I think it's their idea that the unobtainable Akhamagna makes it fair....
Bow/Xbow speeds - Technolink - 2008-09-02
...
I digress, WHY NEXON WHY!!!!
Bow/Xbow speeds - randompeep - 2008-09-02
Originally Posted by Russt~
Quote:I think it's their idea that the unobtainable Akhamagna makes it fair
but Akhamagna does not increase bow speed. I think Isaac put it up somewhere.
Bow/Xbow speeds - Russt - 2008-09-02
Isn't it Fast(5)?
Even if not, it's 90 attack 70 str req and better than Xarumagna in every way. Thus they believe it's fair.
That, and a better FA (which hardly anyone gets), a decent lurer and forward area mobber (Inferno, which hardly anyone gets), and a slightly longer PKB range (which hardly anyone cares about).
Bow/Xbow speeds - Retalion - 2008-09-02
randompeep Wrote:Originally Posted by Russt~
but Akhamagna does not increase bow speed. I think Isaac put it up somewhere.
Im not sure about bow speeds, but its proven that bow speed does not affect Hurricane, the main 4th job attacking skill for bow masters. Strafe and everything else is affected by shooting speed so Im guessing that's what you're talking about.
Regardless, the Akhamagna's attack/str qualities makes it a bow worth using regardless in my opinion.
Bow/Xbow speeds - JoeTang - 2008-09-02
Night Raven's Eye
Bowman only - Crossbow
Req Level: 90
Req STR: 70
Req DEX: 280
Weapon Attack: +90
DEX: +4
Knockback: 50%
Fast(5)
7 slots
Bow/Xbow speeds - tzk221 - 2008-09-02
JoeTang Wrote:Night Raven's EyeHave you even seen one yet? They're as rare as a pineapple under the sea.
Bowman only - Crossbow
Req Level: 90
Req STR: 70
Req DEX: 280
Weapon Attack: +90
DEX: +4
Knockback: 50%
Fast(5)
7 slots
Bow/Xbow speeds - Russt - 2008-09-02
Nor have I seen an Akhamagna, and they've been technically out for months.
Bow/Xbow speeds - Kevvl - 2008-09-03
*sigh*
It's been like this since the Leafre patch came out....I'd hoped they'd fix it by now. Whether it is intentional, or not, I wish it wasn't true.
Oh, and if anyone wants the videos, I gottem. Frame by Frame, anyone? =P
Bow/Xbow speeds - Dusk - 2008-09-03
I, and countless other archers, have already tested this. This only reaffirms that the two classes attack at the same speed with all 1st-3rd job skills. The figure is a lot closer to 84 than 82, I always find it to be nearly 84. The accepted number right now is 83.7, which is the same as all other normal weapons (with booster).
Bow/Xbow speeds - Kevvl - 2008-09-03
Just another confirmation then? I kinda figure that since they were fixing all the other glitches, why not retest?
Bow/Xbow speeds - Dusk - 2008-09-03
Kevvl Wrote:Just another confirmation then? I kinda figure that since they were fixing all the other glitches, why not retest?
Well, it's not a glitch. Bows weren't meant to be faster than Crossbows to begin with. Unless they planned to make more Fast (5) bows before they released the level 40-100 bows. The belief that bows are faster than crossbows stems from two things:
1. Crossbows have a slower initial attack animation, and the first shot always comes out later.
2. People think that because crossbows are stronger, bows have to have some intrinsic speed benefit for balance. It is not a speed vs. power issue for 1st through 3rd job. It is a power+ice vs. stun+fire difference.
Bow/Xbow speeds - Kevvl - 2008-09-03
I think it stemmed from the fact that before Winter (Around the Leafre Patch), Bows fired at 88 SPM, while Xbows fired at 82.
At 88 and 82 SPM, the DPM of the 2 is nearly equal. It may not be a glitch, but it wasn't the original intention.
Bow/Xbow speeds - Russt - 2008-09-03
Nexon website. Guide > Game Library > Character > Bowman.
Hunter Wrote:They use bows, which may not have the power of a crossbow but is much quicker in general, as the main weapon of choice.
It may be weaker than the crossbow, but it's so quick, you'll be able to hunt swiftly. (...)
Crossbow Man Wrote:They use crossbows, which may not have the attacking speed of a regular bow but is much more powerful in general, as the main weapon of choice.
It may be slower than the bow, but it's so powerful, it can go through any monsters one may see. (...)
So basically, they pineappled up from the beginning.
Yes, I realize that the class descriptions on the main site have remained unchanged since the beginning of the game, and the game's progressed significantly by now (psh, they say clerics don't have attacking spells!), but you can tell they obviously intended crossbows to be slower at one point.
Bow/Xbow speeds - Beaner - 2008-09-03
well, in 4th job marskmen get kicked in the testicles. i dont see why complain about strafe when only we use it till forever.
Bow/Xbow speeds - Sn1perJohnE - 2008-09-03
im not sure about this test. Just because the sounds equal out to the same amount of shots/minute, I had did a personal test with normal attacks with no SA/booster and using an Fire Arund and a Casa Crow. The difference in the arrows i had left after 1 minute (timed on my cellphones stop watch) that there was no room for them to even be close to the same fire rate.
Now, if this was done with strafe, it needs to be noted, as many say that with strafe there is no firing difference, that it is the same shot/minute. Also said, is that the point in the animation at which the arrow fires from the bow and the xbow is different.
optimisim aside :O i really do like the way you planned to settle this debate
Bow/Xbow speeds - Dusk - 2008-09-03
Sn1perJohnE Wrote:im not sure about this test. Just because the sounds equal out to the same amount of shots/minute, I had did a personal test with normal attacks with no SA/booster and using an Fire Arund and a Casa Crow. The difference in the arrows i had left after 1 minute (timed on my cellphones stop watch) that there was no room for them to even be close to the same fire rate.
Now, if this was done with strafe, it needs to be noted, as many say that with strafe there is no firing difference, that it is the same shot/minute. Also said, is that the point in the animation at which the arrow fires from the bow and the xbow is different.
optimisim aside :O i really do like the way you planned to settle this debate
That sound test is a hell of a lot better than your reaction time. Reaction time + unintentional bias can throw off your results by as much as 3-4 shots.
Also, Strafe, Double Shot, Normal Arrows, Arrow Blow, Arrow Bomb, Inferno, Blizzard, and possibly Iron Arrow (needs confirming, since I didn't use it much when I was playing a friend's Sniper) all shoot at the same speed.
Russt, they gave us more fast bows in the beginning. I guess they forgot to continue the trend, or decided bows had advantages elsewhere to make up for the power loss.
Bow/Xbow speeds - Nikkey - 2008-09-03
Dusk Wrote:That sound test is a hell of a lot better than your reaction time. Reaction time + unintentional bias can throw off your results by as much as 3-4 shots.
Yeah, human flaws greatly increase the possibility for wrong calculations. By doing this, the only flaws and mistakes in the timing would be human misreadings and computer/connection lag.
Bow/Xbow speeds - psychopat - 2008-09-03
While I haven't played a hunter in ages, I remember thinking they had it way easier in 2nd because of the faster shots (in a lvl range where both classes train in 1hko areas), as well as being able to stun. In 4th, there's no comparison because of Hurricane...
So snipers have a slight power advantage in 3rd... That's 50 levels. You guys have it for 30-70 and 120+. That's 120 total levels and probably 95+ % of the total playing time, considering the exp-per-level curve. Why are you guys the ones complaining instead of the other way around? :f6: