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[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Hanabira.Kage - 2010-06-20
Now that the whole revamp thing is happening in KMST, how would you build your Bandit? It's fine if you don't post beyond 2nd job if you can't think of any for 3rd/4th. Use the current skill tables (KMST 1.2.321) for this.
I would do:
Bandit
Dagger Mastery (20)
Dagger Booster (6)
Savage Blow (1)
Haste (5)
Steal (11)
Savage Blow (30)
Haste (20)
Shadow Resistance (20)
Dagger Booster (20)
-> Everything's maxed except for Steal. Steal won't have much utility after getting BoT...and I prefer maxed Booster better. :x
Chief Bandit (Edited)
Assaulter (1)
Meso Explosion (1)
Chakra (3)
Meso Guard (1)
Flash Jump (1)
Band of Thieves (20)
Shadow Partner (20)
Assaulter (20)
Meso Explosion (3)
Pickpocket (10)
Meso Explosion (20)
Shadow Mirror (20)
Meso Guard (10)
Chakra (10)
Shield Mastery (1)
-> Cool Assaulter is cool Assaulter. 'nuff said.
Although Shield Mastery does seem a lot better now, I wouldn't sacrifice anything else for it. Lv1 Flash Jump is added early on for mobility. Shadow Partner is maxed right after BoT to maximise damage output, followed by Assaulter for better 1v1 damage. The ME + PP combo seems to be a whole lot more useful now after viewing the new KMST 1.2.321 Shad video, so I'll max it them after Assaulter. Lv1 Meso Guard also lasts long enough to be useful, so Shadow Mirror is maxed out before it since I will be bumping into monsters a whole lot...thus making Shadow Mirror activate more often. I don't really get how Chakra works, but I don't like stopping every now and then to cast it. Besides, the MP cost is ridiculous.
What's your proposed build?
p.s. omg wall of text!
I would do:
Bandit
Dagger Mastery (20)
Dagger Booster (6)
Savage Blow (1)
Haste (5)
Steal (11)
Savage Blow (30)
Haste (20)
Shadow Resistance (20)
Dagger Booster (20)
-> Everything's maxed except for Steal. Steal won't have much utility after getting BoT...and I prefer maxed Booster better. :x
Chief Bandit (Edited)
Assaulter (1)
Meso Explosion (1)
Chakra (3)
Meso Guard (1)
Flash Jump (1)
Band of Thieves (20)
Shadow Partner (20)
Assaulter (20)
Meso Explosion (3)
Pickpocket (10)
Meso Explosion (20)
Shadow Mirror (20)
Meso Guard (10)
Chakra (10)
Shield Mastery (1)
-> Cool Assaulter is cool Assaulter. 'nuff said.
Although Shield Mastery does seem a lot better now, I wouldn't sacrifice anything else for it. Lv1 Flash Jump is added early on for mobility. Shadow Partner is maxed right after BoT to maximise damage output, followed by Assaulter for better 1v1 damage. The ME + PP combo seems to be a whole lot more useful now after viewing the new KMST 1.2.321 Shad video, so I'll max it them after Assaulter. Lv1 Meso Guard also lasts long enough to be useful, so Shadow Mirror is maxed out before it since I will be bumping into monsters a whole lot...thus making Shadow Mirror activate more often. I don't really get how Chakra works, but I don't like stopping every now and then to cast it. Besides, the MP cost is ridiculous.What's your proposed build?
p.s. omg wall of text!
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - cleric1213 - 2010-06-20
1 Mastery -> 5 Haste -> 14 Steal(hits 4 enemies)(1 Savage Blow Somewhere) -> Max Mastery -> Max Steal -> 5 Booster -> Max Savage Blow/Haste(IDK which one to max first) -> Max Shadow Resistance -> 11 booster
3rd job - i'll have to look at how the skills work now
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Pride - 2010-06-20
You will train with Double stab until 4x ?
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - cleric1213 - 2010-06-20
Pride Wrote:You will train with Double stab until 4x ?
um...steal?
I should start spamming steal on mobs at around 37-39
that 1 savage blow should help...alot
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Pride - 2010-06-20
cleric1213 Wrote:um...steal?
I should start spamming steal on mobs at around 37-39
that 1 savage blow should help...alot
I was referring to the TS. 1 SB is A LOT better than Double stab now that it hits 6 times at level 1 (56%
I'd put my first point at level 30 in Savage blow.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Hanabira.Kage - 2010-06-20
Pride Wrote:I was referring to the TS. 1 SB is A LOT better than Double stab now that it hits 6 times at level 1 (56%)
I'd put my first point at level 30 in Savage blow.
Oops. I forgot to state that I'll add one point into Savage Blow before Steal...I had it in mind but forgot to type it in...
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Neothisis - 2010-06-21
[COLOR="orange"]1 Point before Steal still means you'll be about 41 before you get Savage Blow.
And with the somewhat nerfed Meso Explosion, there's really no point getting it that early on.[/COLOR]
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Hanabira.Kage - 2010-06-21
Neothisis Wrote:[COLOR="orange"]1 Point before Steal still means you'll be about 41 before you get Savage Blow.
And with the somewhat nerfed Meso Explosion, there's really no point getting it that early on.[/COLOR]
The reason why I chose to get Meso Explosion anyway was because:
1. Lv1 Meso Guard is enough to last. I should add SP to other skills instead.
2. I don't know how useful Chakra is...but I don't think I'll be using it much while training so I'm leaving it out.
3. ME is there to complement training, coupled with Pickpocket.
Shadow Mirror...could be useful...I guess. Maybe I'll consider adding points to it before ME.
1. Lv1 Meso Guard is enough to last. I should add SP to other skills instead.
2. I don't know how useful Chakra is...but I don't think I'll be using it much while training so I'm leaving it out.
3. ME is there to complement training, coupled with Pickpocket.
Shadow Mirror...could be useful...I guess. Maybe I'll consider adding points to it before ME.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Neothisis - 2010-06-21
Hanabira.Kage Wrote:The reason why I chose to get Meso Explosion anyway was because:
1. Lv1 Meso Guard is enough to last. I should add SP to other skills instead.
2. I don't know how useful Chakra is...but I don't think I'll be using it much while training so I'm leaving it out.
3. ME is there to complement training, coupled with Pickpocket.
Shadow Mirror...could be useful...I guess. Maybe I'll consider adding points to it before ME.
[COLOR="orange"]1. Yes, it will be.
2. It's life threatening at times right now, so unless they changed the animation time or something about it to make it faster, you won't be using it that often unless you're prepared to die.
3. Looking at your Build, you're not getting any points in Pickpocket until level 90, and the new ME won't be useful unless you DO have a lot of coins around to bomb if it's 180% per coin/bag.
Indeed, Shadow Mirror seems like it would be useful at a place like Typhons or Himes where you lure and then kill in one area. But once you get Shifter and higher Avoid further into 4th, I can see it start to become more and more obsolete.[/COLOR]
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Hanabira.Kage - 2010-06-22
Neothisis Wrote:[COLOR="orange"]1. Yes, it will be.
2. It's life threatening at times right now, so unless they changed the animation time or something about it to make it faster, you won't be using it that often unless you're prepared to die.
3. Looking at your Build, you're not getting any points in Pickpocket until level 90, and the new ME won't be useful unless you DO have a lot of coins around to bomb if it's 180% per coin/bag.
Indeed, Shadow Mirror seems like it would be useful at a place like Typhons or Himes where you lure and then kill in one area. But once you get Shifter and higher Avoid further into 4th, I can see it start to become more and more obsolete.[/COLOR]
So you're saying I should try getting Shadow Mirror ASAP, right after Assaulter? Since it will be obsolete in 4th Job.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - cleric1213 - 2010-06-22
I dont even think we should plan for 3rd job builds before we get to see them in action
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Neothisis - 2010-06-22
Hanabira.Kage Wrote:So you're saying I should try getting Shadow Mirror ASAP, right after Assaulter? Since it will be obsolete in 4th Job.
[COLOR="orange"]Well, it depends on where you plan to train of course, but it definitely seems more useful than a single point in ME without Pickpocket at 7x.
Also, you still need to do something about not getting a better skill to use than Double Stab until 41. It's going to be hellish lol.[/COLOR]
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Hanabira.Kage - 2010-06-22
Neothisis Wrote:[COLOR="orange"]Well, it depends on where you plan to train of course, but it definitely seems more useful than a single point in ME without Pickpocket at 7x.
Also, you still need to do something about not getting a better skill to use than Double Stab until 41. It's going to be hellish lol.[/COLOR]
I already put in the 1 Savage Blow before Max Steal. o.O
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Kabanaw - 2010-06-22
Hanabira.Kage Wrote:I already put in the 1 Savage Blow before Max Steal. o.O
20 dagger mastery + 6 booster + 5 haste = 31 SP. That's level 30-40. Your first SP for SB is level 41.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Hanabira.Kage - 2010-06-22
Kabanaw Wrote:20 dagger mastery + 6 booster + 5 haste = 31 SP. That's level 30-40. Your first SP for SB is level 41.
Oh crap. I forgot to put it before Haste. =.=
I'll change it. Again.
I'll change it. Again.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Neothisis - 2010-06-22
[COLOR="orange"]Still a problem. Booster doesn't affect Double Stab, it automatically attacks at max speed.
Also, 5 Haste isn't going to help you any.
EDIT:Lemme elaborate on this:[/COLOR]
Pride Wrote:I was referring to the TS. 1 SB is A LOT better than Double stab now that it hits 6 times at level 1 (56%[COLOR="orange"]Level 20 Double Stab max damage:100% * 1.3 * 2=260%
I'd put my first point at level 30 in Savage blow.
Level 20 Double Stab min damage:100% * 0.2 * 1.3 * 2=52%
Level 20 Double Stab average damage
260+52)/2=156%Level 1 Savage Blow max damage:100% * 0.56 * 6=336%
Level 1 Savage Blow min damage:100% * 0.2 * 0.56 * 6=67.2%
Level 1 Savage Blow average damage
336+67.2)/2=201.6%So, as you can see here (unless I did the calculations wrong), level 1 Savage Blow is better than max Double stab in pretty much every way.
Now let's take a look at whether 20 Mastery with Double Stab or 20 Savage Blow would be better.
Level 20 Double Stab with level 20 Mastery max damage:100% * 1.3 * 2=260%
Level 20 Double Stab with level 20 Mastery min damage:100% * 0.7 * 1.3 * 2=182%
Level 20 Double Stab with level 20 Mastery average damage
260+182)/2=221%Min and average are definitely better than level 1 Savage, but what if you spent those 20 points from Mastery in Savage Blow instead?
Level 20 Savage Blow max damage:100% * 0.75 * 6=450%
Level 20 Savage Blow min damage:100% * 0.2 * 0.75 * 6=90%
Level 20 Savage Blow average damage
450+90)/2=270%While the min of level 20 Savage Blow is definitely a lot lower than Double Stab with max Mastery, the max is considerably higher and the average also wins out. In the end, it's obviously your choice, but there's just something to think about.[/COLOR]
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Hanabira.Kage - 2010-06-23
Neothisis Wrote:[COLOR="orange"]Still a problem. Booster doesn't affect Double Stab, it automatically attacks at max speed.
Also, 5 Haste isn't going to help you any.
EDIT:Lemme elaborate on this:[/COLOR]
Lv5 Haste is for Steal. ._.
Why else would I add 5 SP to Haste when anything less than Lv10 Haste is absolutely useless?
Why else would I add 5 SP to Haste when anything less than Lv10 Haste is absolutely useless?
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Kabanaw - 2010-06-23
So the base mastery for melee classes is 20% right? I want to figure out if it's better to get 1 SB or 1 mastery at level 30, since mastery is +12%.
130%*2=260%
130%*2*.32=83.2%
(260%+83.2%)/2=171.6%
56%*6=336%
56%*6*.2=107.52%
(336%+107.52%)/2=221.76%
So SB is better to get at level 30, then mastery, instead of 1 mastery, then 1 sb at level 31.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Peyhwa - 2010-06-27
i dunno abt u guys, but the current charka is rather actively used by me.
no doubt the danger involved but it does help on pot cost.
but i cant say so for the new charka since the mp cost increased alot.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Tay - 2010-06-28
EDIT; Durp on me