Serebii Wrote:So, what are the limits? Well for starters, you can only gain 510 Effort Values before they will stop being counted. 510 can be called our "Overall Maximum", if you want a technical term. So this brings the Effort Points you can gain to 126, once again as a maximum. But this is still a bit much to add to any one stat, and it would make any Mewtwo have an absurd amount of Special Attack still, or Blissey still having that huge potential to go over 700 Hit Points (not like you still can't get there.) So, to make it limited still, there can only be a maximum of 255 Effort Points per stat, giving a pokemon a potential 63 point increase in any stat.

FrozNlite Wrote:Every EV guide known to man, including Serebii's and the one on this board, states the above: EVs stop being counted after a certain number per stat, and after a certain number overall. It would make sense, then, that Pokemon caught at the beginning and used throughout a game with no specific EV training done to them would have random stats, and any attempts to EV train them afterwards would be pointless (unless you use EV lowering berries, I guess).

Following this logic, I've been using my Lv. 47 Ampharos to decimate Psyducks and Golducks while EV training my Horsea for Special Attack. Throughout the process, I'm assuming SpeATT EVs aren't being counted for Ampharos, and thus when it levels to 48, I don't expect much.

It gains a whopping +9 SpeATT upon level up.

What the fuck? How can this be if it has killed soo many Pokemon over the course of using it since it was a wee Mareep caught before heading to Azalea Town? I've noticed this trend with different Pokemon as well, though not to such a degree before. For example, say my Kadabra is sweeping the Ecruteak Gym, after killing enough Pokemon where it's "done" EV training (they're not counted anymore). However, upon level ups it's still getting obscene amounts of Special Attack.

Bottom line: What the hell is going on? Are EVs, or some other unknown stat, technically counted ALL THE TIME, and thus it would be best to grind a special sweeper on Lv. 2x Psyducks/Golducks till kingdom come and they hit 100, or what?

Lucida Wrote:Maybe you haven't killed as many Pokemon as you think.

FrozNlite Wrote:Throughout the process, I'm assuming SpeATT EVs aren't being counted for Ampharos, and thus when it levels to 48, I don't expect much.

IllegallySane Wrote:They DO count, regardless of whether the pokemon has a high Sp. Atk or a crappy Sp. Atk. Also, you just need to gather 252 EVs worth of SP attack. That means killing 252 Psyducks, 126 Golducks, a combination of both, feeding 10 Calciums and then kill 152 Psyducks, 76 Golducks, or a combination, or speed it up even more with Pokerus/Macho Brace/Power "X" item. Also, it sounds about right that you don't get all 63 stat points in one level, because that'd make a Pokemon too powerful for its level.

TøbiasBlack Wrote:see, when i read this, i got more confused. sorry to hijack, but in the quote posted by Froz, it states that any one stat can have at max 255 points worth of EV allocation.

252, or 255?

IllegallySane Wrote:They DO count, regardless of whether the pokemon has a high Sp. Atk or a crappy Sp. Atk. Also, you just need to gather 252 EVs worth of SP attack. That means killing 252 Psyducks, 126 Golducks, a combination of both, feeding 10 Calciums and then kill 152 Psyducks, 76 Golducks, or a combination, or speed it up even more with Pokerus/Macho Brace/Power "X" item. Also, it sounds about right that you don't get all 63 stat points in one level, because that'd make a Pokemon too powerful for its level.

TøbiasBlack Wrote:see, when i read this, i got more confused. sorry to hijack, but in the quote posted by Froz, it states that any one stat can have at max 255 points worth of EV allocation.

252, or 255?

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That said, I do have a question that I might be able to find the answer to if I looked hard enough, but want to see if anyone here can save me the trouble. The event Arceus was given at level 100. It's still in my box because I'm not sure what I want to do with it. Is EV training it even possible? It obviously can't level up anymore, but it [i Wrote:does[/i] have a clean slate of 0 EVs. From what I understand, depositing a glitched Pokemon into the box will fix their stats when you withdraw them; so if I EV trained Arceus and deposited it into the box, would its stats increase to what they should be upon withdrawal? Or is it impossible, and I shouldn't even bother?

TøbiasBlack Wrote:well... that helps clarify some things; ive been planning on EV training somethings for the battle frontier and such.
now, how would IV's play into the EV's; would i be incorrect in assuming that a stat range of 1-31 would affect the base potential of a stat and not so much the stats gained upon leveling up? For instance, if two pokemon were to be EV trained, were both the same species, but for that stat one had, say, 16 IV's for it, and the other 28 IV's for it, then the one with 28 will have a [proportionally] higher stat when Ev trained?

Dusk Wrote:^You can't gain EVs if you can't gain experience. The only way to give a level 100 Pokemon EVs is through vitamins. You can get up to 100 in 5 stats and 10 in a 6th.

IllegallySane Wrote:It's why I said take it with a grain of salt and try it out. No harm in fighting a single pokemon with a Power item to test it.

PsyPokes Wrote:Can you still EV-train when your Pokemon is at level 100?

Yes you can, but since the Pokemon can no longer level up, the stat will never increase due to EVs gained. How then, can one overcome this problem? The answer lies in the Box Trick. Suppose your Mewtwo gains 4 Speed EVs. To increase its Speed by 1, deposit Mewtwo in the PC, and withdraw it again. Its Speed will now be higher by 1 point. This is because the stats are recalculated each time you withdraw a Pokemon in the PC.

Psypokes Wrote:Why does my Pokemon not gain 63 Speed stat points when I let it accumulate 252 Speed EVs before levelling it up?

Stat increases due to EVs gained are not apparent right from the start. You will start noticing greater increases in stats once your Pokemon is at higher levels. Regardless of when the changes become obvious, your Pokemon will end up with the correct stats when it eventually reaches level 100, so worry not.

Smogon Wrote:If you want to find a stat that isn't HP, then you use the following formula:

Stat = (((2 * BaseStat + IV + (EV / 4)) * Level / 100 + 5) * Nature

smogon's The Breeding Guid Wrote:http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/breeding_guide_part1


SECTION THREE
How the game provides IVs to an egg:

Before we start our breeding guide proper, you need to be informed of how exactly the game assigns the IVs to a baby. This actually differs from game to game.
IV Breeding in EDP (Emerald, Diamond, and Pearl)

The IVs for the baby are first created at random. Then, a random IV from either parent is inherited to the baby. Then, any random IV except an HP IV is selected from either parent and is passed to the baby. Finally, any random IV except an HP or Defense IV is selected from either parent and passed to the baby. These three random IVs may overlap, that is, the same random IV can be chosen to be inherited in the second, or third, IV transfer.

In Ruby, Sapphire, Fire Red, Leaf Green:

The IVs for the baby are first created at random. Then, three random IVs from either parent are successively inherited to the baby. These three random IVs may not overlap, that is, the same random IV cannot be chosen to be inherited in the second, or third, IV transfer.

Dusk Wrote:Natures and EVs make a much greater impact on your Pokemon's stats, and as long as you're not using Pokemon with IVs all below 10, you shouldn't notice much of a difference.